The NIV is full of errors

Hello Sir,

I tried to find your name on your web site but could not locate it. I agree with a lot you mention on your website about eternal security and other topics, but one thing I need to tell you about, the niv bible is not what it makes out to be. I as a 30 year pastor a Bible teacher have found that there are very many subtle errors in it, errors that can not be over looked. Go to Isaiah 14 : 12 First read the KJV and you will see the correct translation from the Hebrew manuscripts, here the fallen being is called Lucifer, correct he is the fallen being. But going to the niv you will see that this version drops the name Lucifer, and puts the name morning star there, well excuse me this name belongs to JESUS and HE NEVER EVER FELL FROM GRACE…………..

Some will argue and say yea but the devil is also called son of the dawn, and this is what is implied, no sir even if this is the case, the doubt should never ever have been put in the mind of the new believer as to the fallibility of JESUS. Now you may say this is just an over sight, then I want to tell you that this is but only one of the many errors in this translation. You can go to our web site and see an exhaustive study we did on comparing these two translations.

As far as saying that the niv reads easier then the KJV is also not correct, the KJV is an Anointed Bible and the Lord is faithful in helping one to read it easily and correctly if we would but ask Him.

And finally the KJV has no copyright which means one can copy section from it as its author is God through the power of the Holy-Spirit, whereas the niv has a copy right and you can not copy sections from it because the bible company makes money from it and it is Mans ideas mixed up in it, and not all men involved in the creation of it were committed Christians.

I can send you proof of this fact if you are interested, this version is an ecumenical version which is a version mutually except able to all faiths and therefore very watered down, so as not to offend so called uncommitted hardliners.

I hope to hear from you and discuses this further,

Yours in His service,
***** **********, Th.D,Ph.D

My response is in Green:

Can you tell me what the name Lucifer means?

Lu·ci·fer (ls-fr)
n.

The archangel cast from heaven for leading the revolt of the angels; Satan.
The planet Venus in its appearance as the morning star.
lucifer A friction match.

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[Middle English, from Old English, morning star, Lucifer, from Latin Lcifer, from lcifer, light-bringer : lx, lc-, light; see leuk- in Indo-European Roots + -fer, -fer.]

OK Ralph,

I will give you some web sites to check out, but remember satan the devil and Lucifer is all the same surely you know that.

I did look at your website, but you did not answer my question about what the name Lucifer means. If Lucifer is just another name for morning star, then the NIV did nothing but use what it means and not the name. If the name Satan means (which it does by the way) "accuser" does that mean if you call someone your accuser you are calling them Satan? Of course not. In fact Jesus in John 5:45 says that Moses is who accuses them (the Jews), is He calling Moses, Satan? Of course not. This whole argument is silly. If the new translations were trying to say that Jesus is Lucifer then they did a very bad job of it, because many places proclaim that Jesus is the Son of God, even more clearly then the KJV does.

I have also looked at the other site you sent me, same problems.

Let me ask you a question. You don't have to answer me, but please answer this for yourself. What is the only unforgivable sin? Would you not agree that it is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit? Now what is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit? Well if you look at the context that Jesus was speaking in it is willfully and knowingly attributing the work of the Holy Spirit to the devil. Now, please hear me, I don't believe you are doing that, but it should give you pause. Here is the passage from both the NIV and the KJV so you can see they both say it.

(Matthew 12:31 NIV) And so I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven.

(Matthew 12:31 KJV) Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

Now here is my point. If the Holy Spirit did have a hand in the translation of these new Bible versions, should we not be very careful in our attacks? It is fine if you don't like the new ones, it is fine if you think the KJV is the best translation, but to say the new translations are of the devil is dangerous ground. Let me go further, would Satan take the name Lucifer out and yet leave the true gospel message in? If you don't believe that the true gospel is in the new versions then either you have not read them yourself or you have an agenda which keeps you from admitting it. I know of at least 7 people who have been saved while reading my "How to know Jesus" page and all I quote from is the NIV.

Now let me ask you one more question, do you believe that the KJV is infallible? See this is the watershed issue. I believe the original writings were infallible but I don't believe any of the translations are, including the KJV. Before you say you do believe it, let me ask you something. Was Jesus dead or alive when He was hung on the cross?

Let's see what the different versions say:

Acts 5:30 (KJV) The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.

Acts 5:30 (NIV) The God of our fathers raised Jesus from the dead--whom you had killed by hanging him on a tree.

Acts 5:30 (ASV) The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew, hanging him on a tree.

Acts 5:30 (NRSV) The God of our ancestors raised up Jesus, whom you had killed by hanging him on a tree.

Only the KJV appears to say that Jesus was killed and then hung on a tree. Now you can disagree and say well that really means this or that, but you can't miss my point, it says; killed and hanged on a tree, not killed by hanging on a tree. So should you throw away your KJV? Of course not, it still is God's word, but it is also just a translation.

Do I take this issue personally? Yes I do because I have had people tell me that I am not saved because I use a "perverted" version of the Bible. I guess it does not matter that I believe in Jesus Christ, it only matters which Bible I read. I understand you have not said that, but in my experience that is where this will end up. I personally read about 8 different versions, including the New Jewish translation of the Tanakh. I want to know God's word and His thoughts. If I could read the original manuscripts and they were available I would do that, but since I can't I try to make sure I understand what God has told us using all the resources He has made available. You might be surprised just how consistent all the different translations I read are. Of course you shouldn't be surprised after all I believe God gave us all of them and has kept His word pure in meaning.

In closing let me quote three passages from the NIV:

(Rom 3:22-23 NIV) This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. Notice that the NIV clearly states that righteousness come through faith in Jesus Christ! Why would Satan leave that is his perverted version? I know why the Holy Spirit left it there.

(Heb 4:15 NIV) For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are--yet was without sin.Yet was without sin! Again the NIV clearly states that Jesus was without sin.

(John 10:28-33 NIV) I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand. I and the Father are one." Again the Jews picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus said to them, "I have shown you many great miracles from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?" "We are not stoning you for any of these," replied the Jews, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God." Jesus gives eternal life, and He and the Father are one. Again is that a perversion or is it affirmation that Jesus is truly the Son of God? The Jews who wanted to stone Him certainly understood it to be an affirmation of His deity!

Continue to read the KJV, continue to think it is the best translation, but be careful when you describe the other translations as Satan's translations... What if they aren't? Just a question for thought.

Ralph

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