What about the Scriptures the Word Faith Movement uses to justify their position?

Hi Ralph, how are you?
I hope and pray that you are okay?
I just have a few more questions that i would like to ask you.
I hope that it is okay.

1) The word-faith movement use the scripture in proverbs 18 that states that life and death is in the power of the tongue with the scripture in psalms and john that states that "ye are gods" to promote their prosperity message, saying that they can name and claim anything by speaking it into being!

Q: What according to your knowledge is the real meaning of "life and death is in the power of the tongue " and can christians really claim that they are gods?

2) The second scripture that they use is the one that states that we should call the things that are not as if they are. They use this scripture to call cars, wives, houses,etc into being.

Q: What according to your knowledge is the real meaning of this scripture ?

My response is in Green:

I am doing fine, thank you. I know that the word faith movement use these passages, but they have them all wrong. I will try to explain what I mean.

Question 1:

Let me first quote the passage from Proverbs:

Proverbs 18:20-21
With the fruit of a man's mouth his stomach will be satisfied;
He will be satisfied with the product of his lips. [21]
Death and life are in the power of the tongue,
And those who love it will eat its fruit. [NASB-U]

You will notice I quoted two verses. Let me quote a little more before I explain what this is really talking about.

James 1:26 If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man's religion is worthless. [NASB-U]

James 3:5-6 So also the tongue is a small part of the body, and yet it boasts of great things. See how great a forest is set aflame by such a small fire! [6] And the tongue is a fire, the very world of iniquity; the tongue is set among our members as that which defiles the entire body, and sets on fire the course of our life, and is set on fire by hell. [NASB-U]

James 3:8 But no one can tame the tongue; it is a restless evil and full of deadly poison. [NASB-U]

1 Peter 3:10 For, "The one who desires life, to love and see good days, Must keep his TONGUE FROM EVIL AND HIS LIPS FROM SPEAKING DECEIT. [NASB-U]

Okay, now with all these verses for perspective we can truly understand what is being said in Proverbs. What Solomon is saying is that a man's mouth has a lot to do with his life. The mouth holds life and death. That sounds strange, but look at what Jesus had to say:

Matthew 15:18 "But the things that proceed out of the mouth come from the heart, and those defile the man. [NASB-U]

See what comes out of a man's mouth is coming from his heart and reflects the condition of this heart. So if evil comes out of a man's mouth you can know there is evil in his heart and therefore there is death in his heart. But if love and goodness come out of a man's mouth, then it reflects the condition of his heart and he has life. Proverbs is saying the same thing, that is why I quoted two verses, look at the first one. With the fruit of his mouth his stomach will be satisfied. That means that the man will live by how he speaks because how he speaks is how he thinks and what is inside of him.

See they take a passage which actually speaks against them and how they act and use it to justify their worldly lusts.

Now let me address the idea about us being gods. This again is taken out of all context to make a point that does not hold water. Let me quote both passages:

Psalm 82:1-8
A Psalm of Asaph.

God takes His stand in His own congregation; He judges in the midst of the rulers. [2] How long will you judge unjustly And show partiality to the wicked?
Selah. [3]
Vindicate the weak and fatherless; Do justice to the afflicted and destitute. [4] Rescue the weak and needy; Deliver them out of the hand of the wicked. [5] They do not know nor do they understand; They walk about in darkness; All the foundations of the earth are shaken. [6] I said, "You are gods, And all of you are sons of the Most High. [7] "Nevertheless you will die like men And fall like any one of the princes." [8] Arise, O God, judge the earth! For it is You who possesses all the nations. [NASB-U]

John 10:31-39 The Jews picked up stones again to stone Him. [32] Jesus answered them, "I showed you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you stoning Me?" [33] The Jews answered Him, "For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God." [34] Jesus answered them, "Has it not been written in your Law, 'I said, YOU ARE GODS'? [35] "If he called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be broken), [36] do you say of Him, whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, 'You are blaspheming,' because I said, 'I am the Son of God'? [37] "If I do not do the works of My Father, do not believe Me; [38] but if I do them, though you do not believe Me, believe the works, so that you may know and understand that the Father is in Me, and I in the Father." [39] Therefore they were seeking again to seize Him, and He eluded their grasp. [NASB-U]

You will notice again that I quoted more than just the one verse. It is a favorite trick of those who deceive to quote things out of context to make points the Scripture would otherwise never support. First let's look at Psalm 82, what is being said here? Is it saying that men are gods? No not really what it is saying is that these people, speaking of the leaders of Israel, where chosen by God and were given more than anyone else, they were given the law, they were given God's word and what they told the people was law and had to be followed. In other words they were set up as gods over the people to rule them, but this whole Psalm is a condemnation on them, it is saying that they were given the power but they used it for evil and therefore will die like everyone else in their sins.

Now when Jesus quotes this passage He is doing what He does best, He is using the Pharisees own belief's against them. Notice that when He said this He had just claimed to be God and they picked up stones to stone Him because they claimed He had blasphemed, yet He knew that because of Psalm 82 the Pharisees claimed they were gods (much like these wackos today do) so He used that against them. What He is saying is that they claim they are gods and they claim it on the basis of Psalm 82 and say that because it says that is Scripture it can't be changed, and yet they are trying to stone Him for saying the same thing. This was classic as far as how Jesus dealt with the Pharisees. He was not saying they were right, He was just calling out their hypocrisy.

As you can see the word faith movement either does not know or understand God's word or it is intentionally deceiving those who listen.

Question 2:

I must be honest I know they try to make this statement but I have no idea what Scripture they try to use to justify it. The only one I know that comes close to saying this is this one:

Romans 4:17 As it is written: "I have made you a father of many nations." He is our father in the sight of God, in whom he believed--the God who gives life to the dead and calls things that are not as though they were. [NIV]

As you see it is speaking about God not us, so I am not sure where they get their idea. Again they try to use God's word to justify their own fleshly lusts.

Ralph

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