It seems to me that your views are quite limited.

Dear Sir, I know you mean well by your insights contained on your site but I would have to ask you to rethink some of your ideology. I don't have the energy to write you a long story of my life history but it seems to me that your views are quite limited. Please pray that God will open your mind to the pain and experiences of others. Yes, I love the Lord and Yes, I know He loves me and Yes, I have accepted Him as my Lord and Savior, etc. but the element I think you're missing is the human element. We are all human beings and damaged humans at that. Some to a more severe degree than others. You said at one point that we can talk to people until we are blue in the face but it won't do any good. God works through people and many of those who succeed in suicide do so because they believe exactly what you said and don't understand why God isn't helping them. In the mean time He has sent them many people to access for help and support but they believe that as Christians they should not have to reach out to anyone. If they were just praying right or living right or reading more scripture then they should be o.k. Please rethink this and encourage the Christians who are hitting your page to know that we as Christians are their brothers and sisters and want to be there to hold them up when they cannot hold themselves. One other thing that I think you are mislead in (possibly by your own experience) is that you believe that suicide is a conscious choice made in free, clear thinking. Pain and suffering distort our thinking and give Satan an avenue to confuse and mislead us. There is no clarity in suicide. We as Christians must be there for our broken friends and hold their hands until the confusion passes and they can make it through another day. If the pain and confusion is too great and there is no one to call at that exact moment then sometimes the deceiver wins and then there Must be Forgiveness.

My response is in Green:

Thanks for writing me. I appreciate your point of view, but I think you have misunderstood my point of view. I support Christians talking to and supporting other Christians, but I totally disagree with counseling as it is done in most churches today. Pastors now days are taught that they don't have the expertise to counsel people, that they should refer those people to trained counselors. The problem is that the trained counselors are trained in secular psychology and it is a godless science which is not what the people need. They need exactly what they are not getting and that is the support and counsel of other well grounded Christians.

I also agree that God sends people into our lives to help and support us, but don't make the mistake of thinking that the person is helping on their own, it is God who is helping, He is just doing it through other believers. I never have denied that, but again I don't think people need to be sent to secular programs which lead them away from what they really need and that is God.

If you read my pages you should have seen where I said that if a person commits suicide we cannot know their mind or there heart. I also went on to say that if they are not in control of their own actions (mind and emotions) then there is no need for forgiveness because there is no sin if you aren't making a choice. Don't believe for a minute that all people who commit suicide do so under those conditions. You said maybe my views have been effected by my experiences, well you are right, I have seen way too many suicides and I am here to tell you that some of them knew exactly what they were doing. Just look at some of the messages I have answered. When a "Christian" writes me and asks if God will forgive them if they commit suicide, are you telling me that they are not in control of their own minds? The only reason they are asking those questions is because they want someone to tell them it is okay because they know it is not.

I agree that Satan is a liar and a deceiver, but I still say that if a person is really a Christian then they need to get on their knees and call out to God and ask for His help. Yes they need the support of others, but they don't need candy coating, they need the truth. Suicide is a sin against God and they need to go to Him for help. Do you believe that God is capable of helping people who are this despondent? If so then isn't that who they should go to? If not then there is no hope, since God is much more powerful then any of their friends will ever be. Again I agree that they need people around them to support them and rebuke them, but not to coddle them and tell them that God will forgive them if they commit suicide.

My problem with saying that pain and suffering and all those other things so distort a person that they can no longer make a legitimate choice is that it takes God out of the equation. I am not saying that if you read your Bible enough and pray enough that you will never have pain, but I am saying that God will help you. If you are being tempted by Satan, then God will help:(1 Corinthians 10:13 NIV) No temptation has seized you except what is common to man. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. But when you are tempted, he will also provide a way out so that you can stand up under it.

Look at the story of Job.(Job 2:9-10 NIV) His wife said to him, "Are you still holding on to your integrity? Curse God and die!" {10} He replied, "You are talking like a foolish woman. Shall we accept good from God, and not trouble?" In all this, Job did not sin in what he said. He did not think suicide was the way out. He knew that God was still in control even though he did not understand what was going on. Faith like that does not come at the time of trouble it comes from trusting God in the good times before the trouble comes.

People don't read their Bibles enough to know God. The Bible says that faith comes from reading the Word:(Romans 10:17 NIV) Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word of Christ. So am I wrong to tell people that they should read their Bibles and pray and ask God to help them?

I realize that you may have had an experience that you did not tell me about where people helped you through. If that is true then that is great and I am glad there were people around you that helped. However, I still say the same thing, that we as Christians should lead people to God. We should encourage people to read their Bibles and to talk to God, but we should also give them time and support and help them through.

If anywhere on my pages I have said that Christians should not ask others for help, then please give me the URL so that I can correct that statement, because I do believe we should ask each other for prayer and help. God made His church a community for that very reason. I just have a problem when people think they need human help more than they do God's help.

You also said that we are all human being and damaged at that. Okay I will agree with that, but what is the answer? I say the answer, the only answer is God. We are damaged by sin and we cannot fix ourselves nor can we fix each other. Our only hope is through Jesus Christ.

Thank you again for writing.

Ralph

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