It is apparent to me that you have never taken a doctrine class.

I was browsing the net trying to find a picture of Judas' hanging, and I came across your site on the contradictions of his death. It is apparent to me that you have never taken a doctrine class. I'm not talking about a "faith" class with faith interpretations of the Bible, but a "doctrine" class that takes a scholarly approach to the Bible. If you would have you would already know the church does not consider the Bible to be infallible that is just a popular misconception along with the popular belief that all gospels contain the same stories and the titles for Jesus are interchangeable. You would also notice the Bible contains several contradictions especially in the four gospels. The Bible was written by several different human authors, during different times and places, of which had no vas knowledge of other Biblical writings. And incase you haven't noticed humans, "divinely inspired" or not, are NOT perfect. All humans are flawed, making room for contradictions and errors. Particularly, the accounts of Judas' death were written by two different authors, most likely Matthew (gospel of Matthew) and Luke (Acts). These authors wrote during different decades in different languages to different audiences. Matthew wrote to an early Jewish-Christian audience in Syria, and Luke wrote to a Greek-Christian audience in Greece. The different audiences indicate the use of different literary styles which the particular audience would be most likely to relate to and understand. The styles especially the Jewish are highly symbolic and not to be taken literally (which in a popular reading often is literal). The symbolic language was easily understood by early readers because that was their tradition. Only in a scholarly approach can the symbols be fully understood. Only two fragments of two original gospels (Mark and Luke-or maybe Matthew I can't quite remember) exist today, the same with many other Bible passages, and they were written in languages that do not have a clear translation today. Therefore, there has been room for other editors' interpretations maybe even confusion in stories; we don't know, but it is likely. But with Judas the different scenes are probably because it was the way the author could most effectively reach his audience.

P.S. I'm agnostic, but I make sure I have facts and knowledge about what I am criticizing before I do so.

My response is in Green:

I am glad you put that P.S. in your message because up to that point I did not think you had any idea what you were talking about. Up to that point I figured you didn't realize that the Bible was not written by "several" different individuals, but rather over 50 different individuals, over a period of several thousand years. I also thought you didn't realize that the Old Testament was the same thing as the Jewish Torah (the Law) and the Prophets, which were very well known to the writers of the New Testament, they even quoted from them extensively. Jesus even mentioned it: (Luke 16:14-17 NIV) The Pharisees, who loved money, heard all this and were sneering at Jesus. {15} He said to them, "You are the ones who justify yourselves in the eyes of men, but God knows your hearts. What is highly valued among men is detestable in God's sight. {16} "The Law and the Prophets were proclaimed until John. Since that time, the good news of the kingdom of God is being preached, and everyone is forcing his way into it. {17} It is easier for heaven and earth to disappear than for the least stroke of a pen to drop out of the Law." Or that we don't have any original writings, only very early copies, but we have thousands of copies.

You are right about one thing, I have not taken a doctrine class and I don't plan on it for the very reason you stated. Sadly most colleges and even seminaries today are liberal and teach that the Bible is not inerrant. Yet this is a relatively recent thought. Many liberals claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin, that hell is not a literal place of punishment, etc... Why would I want to pollute my mind by listening to those heretics? Yes I called them heretics, if you deny the virgin birth for instance you have no Savior available to you, therefore you are not a Christian.

You like most people who write me claim that there are all these horribly different accounts in the gospels which cannot all be true which of course proves that the Bible can't be true on its face. Yet you don't give me any examples. The only one you even mention is the account of Judas and you use that even though you came from the page where I explained it. "The Lie of Judas' Death"

The scripture is very consistent and true. You also said many of the writings in the Bible were written in languages which can't be interpreted today. What languages would that be? Greek, Hebrew?

This whole argument is laughable when you say you are agnostic. That is like me trying to claim that personal accounts of people seeing UFO's is distorted when in fact I don't believe in UFO's in the first place. What is the point? If you are agnostic of course the Bible to you would not be inerrant, if it was you wouldn't be able to be an agnostic anymore. Duh!!

Have you ever bothered to really read the Bible and try to take it literally? If not then you have no idea what you are talking about. Do some research and see if anyone has proven the Bible to be wrong. Do it for yourself, don't listen to some egg head who does not even know God and therefore has an agenda right from the start. I will tell you I have an agenda too because I do believe in God, that is why you need to do the research yourself. But be careful, there are a couple of famous Christians who became Christians by trying to prove the Bible was nothing but fiction. You might end up like them...

Even though you don't know whether there is a God or not, He has spoken to you. (2 Timothy 3:16-17 NIV) All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, {17} so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work. Yeah I know this is circular reasoning to try to justify the Bible using the Bible, but what if there is a God and He really did inspire this book? What if you really can take it literally? What if the way to know God is in its pages? What if when you reject it and the Savior it proclaims you really will end up in a literal hell for eternity? Don't you think it is worth checking out for yourself?

Ralph

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