How can God condemn a person to hell who loves Him dearly just because they are gay?

I don't wish to write a long message, so I will simply ask. How can God send a gay man (or woman) to hell if they love Him dearly. This is not a decision that has been made on a whim. This is who these people are. How can they be condemned for simply being who they are? I know many will say that this is a choice that they make and its their fault. However, asking a gay person to go 'straight' would be just as difficult as making a straight person gay. And don't say because their sexually deviant people, because their are many straight christians who have engaged in pre-marital sex which God is definetetly against. I should add that I'm not gay, but I can't understand how someone who is will end up going to Hell if they love Jesus and have accepted him.

My response is in Green:

You make a couple of common assumptions which are wrong. First is that some sin is worse than other sins. You said not to say because they are deviant people and your reasoning is that there are many "Christians" who also commit sexual sins. The assumption is that the gay lifestyle cannot be condemned because of the sin in others lives. That is a false assumption. Both are sins and both warrant God's wrath. Both will cause a person to go to hell unless confessed and forgiven.

You also seem to make the assumption that gays are born that way and can't change, again this is wrong. Visit this website and see for yourself: http://www.stonewallrevisited.com/

You make the statement that asking a gay person to go straight would be just as difficult as making a straight person gay. Again you give the impression that being gay is not a choice. Okay, if that is what you think then I have a question for you. Why should God keep the pedophile out of heaven? After all under your assumption there is no difference between being gay and being a pedophile or being a straight person who engages in pre-marital sex. Now see I agree with you on one point. I don't think there is a difference either, they are all sinners and are in need of a Savior. God will keep them all out of heaven. I did not say that, He said that: (1 Corinthians 6:9-10 NIV) Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders {10} nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. See none of them will make it. The good news is that He goes on to say that was who some of us were before we were forgiven. These can all be forgiven if we will ask God to forgive us and believe in Jesus Christ.

Why would God be unjust to keep a gay person out of heaven? Why would He be unjust to keep a murderer out of heaven? If the sin is unconfessed then the person is a sinner and sinners will not make it to heaven.

You mentioned that the person loves God dearly. Again a false assumption. It is false because if we truly love God we will stop sinning. It might not be easy at first but God will help us. (Hebrews 10:26-27 NIV) If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, {27} but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God.

(1 John 3:4-6 NIV) Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness. {5} But you know that he appeared so that he might take away our sins. And in him is no sin. {6} No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him.

Notice what God says, no one who continues to sin knows God. If a gay person loves God dearly they will stop. Now I will be the first to admit that is easier said than done, but the point is that you have to want to turn from your sin and not to sin anymore. If you are at the point where you love God more than your sin, then God will help you quit. He will control your life if you allow Him to, and He will even control your most sinful urges but again you have to be willing to allow Him to do so. You can't do it on your own.

(Romans 6:5-8 NIV) If we have been united with him like this in his death, we will certainly also be united with him in his resurrection. {6} For we know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves to sin--{7} because anyone who has died has been freed from sin. {8} Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him. How are we united with Him in His death? By giving our lives over to God, by crucifying our self and allowing God to live through us. Until we are ready to put our own wants and desires behind what God wants, then we will struggle and not make it.

So the question should not be how can God send someone who dearly loves Him to hell, the question should be how can someone who claims to love God dearly continue to sin?

I won't try to hold up the Christian community to you, because it is often just the label people go by, but a true Christian will live a pure life with the help of God. So what about the straight Christian man who is tempted to have pre-martial sex? Or what about the straight Christian man who is tempted to have an affair? Those are strong sexual urges too, what makes those urges different from the urges of the gay man? Both are sin if acted on. (1 Corinthians 10:13 NIV) No temptation has seized you except what is common to man. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. But when you are tempted, he will also provide a way out so that you can stand up under it. A person who claims to love God dearly but says that verse is not true is calling God a liar! See it might not be true for them, but if that is true then it is because they are not really His child.

When we are saved we become a new creation: (2 Corinthians 5:17 NIV) Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come! The sinner kneels at Jesus' cross but the believer walks way cleansed from their sin. We are no longer sinners if we have accepted Christ as our Savior. This is what bothers me about Christians who claim to be gay, or alcoholics, drug users, etc... I understand what they are trying to say, they are trying to say that they are forgiven but have not forgotten who they are. The problem is that the Word of God clearly says that is not who they are anymore. An alcoholic who is saved by faith in Jesus Christ only becomes an alcoholic again when he walks away from his faith and goes back to his old sin. The same is true of the liar, the homosexual, the murderer, the thief, etc... If that is still who they are then what were they saved from?

People claim that it is easy to say these things but that is not the real world. Well God spoke about that too: (2 Timothy 3:1-5 NIV) But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. {2} People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, {3} without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, {4} treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God-- {5} having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with them. Having a form of godliness but denying its power!! That is what people do when they claim to know God but are unable to turn from their sins. They deny God's power in their life.

You also made the statement speaking about gays; this is who these people are... You are right, they are sinners and they need the blood of Jesus Christ sprinkled on them just like every other human being does. To say that they have no choice is to make God out to be a liar and unfair. He is neither. Again there is good news: (Romans 5:8 NIV) But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us. God loves them so dearly that He sent His one and only Son to die in their place. It is up to them to decide if they love Him enough to deny themselves, it is a decision we all have to make in one form or another.

Don't be fooled by the rhetoric coming out of the gay community, we all face sinful desires which consume us and from which we must flee, theirs is no worse. Speaking of rhetoric, why is it that they claim people are born gay yet they struggle to get gay recruiting materials into the grade schools? Oh they will tell you that it is because they want the kids who are born gay to feel comfortable about themselves. That is a lie, they are recruiting for their sinful lifestyle. It is wrong and they know it. I have lived in sin and I will tell you right now that the whole time I know what I was doing was wrong and sinful in God's eyes.

Isn't the liar born a liar? The murderer born a murderer, the pedophile born a pedophile, the thief born a thief? The answer is yes, we are all born sinners, and that will not be an excuse for any of us when we stand before God and give account of our actions on this earth. His free gift of salvation is right there for anyone who is willing to take it.

I know that I am pretty blunt but there is no gray area here. God says that homosexuality is sin, no different than other sins. He loves them all, but He also demands that they turn from their sins and come to Him.

Ralph

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