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Once Saved Always Saved, a discussion.

I think there are many divisions among the members of the Body of Christ that should not be dealt with, but should be put aside for the common good. For a long time I felt that the doctrine of 'once saved always saved' was just such a division and should be ignored. However, the more I encounter this doctrine the more it concerns me. I have often said in the past that if a disagreement in doctrine does not affect salvation then it is a minor issue and is best left alone. I still believe the spirit of that statement, but I have come to realize that 'once saved always saved' does concern salvation and therefore should be addressed.

My original thought was that the OSAS (once saved always saved) teachers agreed what salvation is and therefore I had no real disagreement with them. But then I began to understand more and more of what was really being taught and realized that this doctrine has eternal consequences, or in other words does impact a persons salvation.

I want to quote a few comments which show why I am concerned about this doctrine, and for that matter show what the doctrine really is. I am not going to attribute any of these quotes to any person here, but they were all made by well known Christian leaders.

And so, sometimes out of ignorance or whatever it might be, they attempt to gratify and meet those needs the same way they did before they were saved, and therefore, you can't tell a carnal believer from a lost man.

As far as overt behavior is concerned, a carnal believer cannot be distinguished from an unbeliever.

... believers who lose or abandon their faith will retain their salvation...

Where is this place represented by the "outer darkness" in Jesus' parables? To be in the "outer darkness" is to be in the kingdom of God but outside the circle of men and women whose faithfulness on this earth earned them a special rank or position of authority.

The above quotes show what I mean. This teaching concerns salvation, because if it is wrong then people who think they are saved may well be on their way to eternal punishment.

We need to view our doctrine through the filter of Scripture, not the other way around; viewing Scripture through the filter of our doctrine. One way we will always be right the other way we will always be in danger of being mistaken.

In brief; I believe our salvation is a relationship with God through faith in Jesus Christ. I believe we all stumble at times and sin. I also believe that when we sin the Holy Spirit convicts us and draws us back to a closer walk. If we confess our sin we repair our relationship and everything is okay, but if we refuse to repent and confess and continue to sin our relationship will deteriorate, at some point we grow cold and our relationship is ruined. Paul called this turning from the faith, shipwrecked faith, etc... Paul even said if we don't hold fast then we have believed in vain.

(1 Corinthians 15:2 NIV) By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain.(Emphasis added)

(1 Corinthians 6:9-10 NIV) [9] Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders [10] nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.(Emphasis added)

(1 John 2:3-6 NIV) [3] We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands. [4] The man who says, "I know him," but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him. [5] But if anyone obeys his word, God's love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: [6] Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did.(Emphasis added)

The following pages are my thoughts on once saved always saved and predestination. Some are messages I received and my responses. What someone else wrote will be in blue and what I replied will be in green.

You will notice that I have a section on Predestination. This is because I have many people who write me and state that I am wrong on that subject too, and it is very close to OSAS since if a person believes in predestination, they also believe the elect can't fall.

Predestination

Do people really have a choice?
Man doesn't really have free will.
What you believe about total depravity defines much of your logic.
I came across some articles in support of Calvinism and I have been in misery ever since.
The Bible seems to contradict itself in places.
I have a problem with a statement you made.
God giving ALL fallen mankind the ability to choose Him is not Scriptural!
The natural man is incapable of "making a decision" for Christ.
Ralph, you have got to see this truth. (Predestination)
Am I predestined to hell?
You are a heretic, a nut and probably not a true believer!
Your theology is a bit scary!
Show me that God doesn't hate some people and only love a select few!

OSAS

Once Saved Always Saved is the view based on the BIBLE!
I disagree with your views on once saved - always saved.
Christian Security - Guest Author Keith Drury
Aren't we adopted into God's family as sons?
Salvation is a once-and for-all transaction that can never be undone.
Things you should consider if you believe in losing your salvation…
Open letter to my OSAS brothers and sisters in Christ:
I think I can show you proof of OSAS
Isn't it our fellowship and not our relationship we can lose?
The Responsibility of Believers
Anyone who walks away from the faith was never really saved.
Ananias, Sapphira and Simon the Sorcerer
Will a Christian who dies while committing a sin go to heaven?
A person who believes you can lose your salvation is using logic not the Bible.
Where does it say in the Bible that suicide is a direct ticket to hell?
I found some statements of yours I greatly disagree with.
I used to hold the same extreme views you do.
I will use logic to show you are wrong.
Look at the Passover, it is a type of our salvation.
Would you consider OSAS the true Gospel?
God won't talk to me because of what I have done.
Will God forgive me if I ask just before I sin?
How can you have peace knowing you can lose your salvation?
A tragic story of an OSAS believer.
How do you believe we can lose our salvation?
You clearly don't understand God's salvation plan.
I think you are misrepresenting Eternal Security.
I don't think you can lose your salvation unless you actually denounce Christ.
OSAS as taught by Tony Evans in his book Totally Saved
OSAS as taught by Charles Stanley
Do you think I am lost?
Isn't Satan sowing ENOUGH confusion among us, without YOUR help?
Eternal security is clearly taught in many places in the Bible.
You should really educate yourself by reading some works by scholars.
I appreciate what you do, but...
What did you do to gain salvation and what can you do to lose it?
There is now no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus
Your idea that a peson who falls from grace can repent is un-biblical.
You are not reading the bible in it's proper context.
I agree with you on predestination but not on OSAS
Your view that suicide will send someone to hell is judgmental.
I learned that salvation belongs to God, not me.
A true believer won't ever leave the faith.
Must we spend all day, every possible moment in repentence?
My view of salvation by Sam Flick, Wesleyan Pastor (Guest Author)
A testimony about OSAS by a Pastor's wife.
How can you be sure you are going to heaven?
How do you explain these verses?
If you don't believe in OSAS you are not saved!
You would have to be insane to walk away from Christ.

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