How do you believe we can lose our salvation?

I am a Christian that attends the University of Cincinnati and am currently a Cincinnati police cadet. Please explain your stance on eternal security. I read it, but was a bit unclear on how you believed we could lose it?

My response is in Green:

I don't think you can lose your salvation, but I know you can walk away from it, I did it. There is no one or two sins which will make you lose your salvation, but sin is the symptom of a deeper problem of faith. If we sin and don't confess it and turn from it, then our love and our faith will grow cold and we will turn from the Lord. We don't lose our salvation, we give it back so to speak.

Let me give you four passages which show what I am talking about:

(Matthew 24:10-13 NIV) [10] At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, [11] and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. [12] Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, [13] but he who stands firm to the end will be saved.

(1 Timothy 1:18-19 NIV) [18] Timothy, my son, I give you this instruction in keeping with the prophecies once made about you, so that by following them you may fight the good fight, [19] holding on to faith and a good conscience. Some have rejected these and so have shipwrecked their faith.

(1 Timothy 6:20-21 NIV) [20] Timothy, guard what has been entrusted to your care. Turn away from godless chatter and the opposing ideas of what is falsely called knowledge, [21] which some have professed and in so doing have wandered from the faith. Grace be with you.

(2 Peter 3:17 NIV) Therefore, dear friends, since you already know this, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of lawless men and fall from your secure position.

Now you will be able to find people who will 'explain' these for you so that they don't mean what they say. They will tell you that it does not concern salvation, etc... But I would just say this, you are going to be a cop, read these passages as a cop. Read them for what they clearly say and think about them with a clear mind. Pray about them and ask God to show you what He meant with them. God is not a God of confusion, we can read His word and take it for what it means. Remember Jesus told us that to get into heaven we must be like little children, not biblical scholars. My point is this, if the passages says something believe it, and if some scholar comes and re-explains the passage to say something that it does not plainly say in the first place, reject the scholar, not God's word.

Jesus in the first passage says that people will turn away from the faith. You can't turn from something if you never had it in the first place.

In the second one Paul talks about people who shipwreck their faith by rejecting the truth. In the third one Paul mentions people who have wandered from faith. Again you can't leave something you never had.

In the fourth Peter warns against falling from your secure position. How is that possible? Was it not secure in the first place? No, what Peter is saying is what I am saying you are as secure as you want to be, but if you are not on your guard you might be carried away, or wander from the faith, or shipwreck your faith, or fall from your secure position.

What do these statements mean? Does wander from the faith, love growing cold, shipwrecking faith, and falling from secure position mean not going to heaven? I say it does. If it doesn't then why even bother to put these passages in the Bible. Here is one more to think about:

(2 Peter 1:5-9 NIV) [5] For this very reason, make every effort to add to your faith goodness; and to goodness, knowledge; [6] and to knowledge, self-control; and to self-control, perseverance; and to perseverance, godliness; [7] and to godliness, brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness, love. [8] For if you possess these qualities in increasing measure, they will keep you from being ineffective and unproductive in your knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. [9] But if anyone does not have them, he is nearsighted and blind, and has forgotten that he has been cleansed from his past sins.

Why did Peter say 'past sins' if all our sins, past, present and future are already forgiven? OSAS teaches that once you place your faith in Jesus Christ you never have to worry again. Yet the Bible tells us that our "past sins" have been forgiven, it tells us to guard ourselves so we don't shipwreck our faith, to stand firm to the end, to be on our guard so we don't fall from our secure position, etc... So who is right OSAS or God's word?

I hope that helped clarify my position.

Ralph

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