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Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.
"Submit yourselves, then, to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you."
Your page is so depressing. Your god is such a creep. I'm not trying to be offensive; I just don't know how you can believe in such evil. Jesus didn't suffer on the cross for me! I think the whole concept is utterly revolting. I am an atheist. I am not a sinner, I am not tainted or in need of being saved. I am a good person who believes in kindness, gentleness, and justice. My vision of the world is so much more beautiful than yours, because yours is so full of retribution and suffering. I hope you can let go of your evil, cruel god someday. Please respond to me if you can.
Thanks for signing my guestbook, even though you didn't leave your name or e-mail address. I find comments like yours to be depressing to be honest with you. You make statements that you don't bother to explain. Like "I just don't know how you can believe in such evil" What evil are you talking about, the evil in this world?? Believe me I saw enough of that first hand to believe in it. Or are you trying to say that Christianity is evil?? I have heard that before too, but no one was ever able to explain what they meant. Oh they tried. I have heard that the evil in this world is the result of Christian morals. Without the Christian morals the world would be a better place. Yeah, sure, but like I said no one can explain that one. I guess the highways would be safer without speed limits too, right? Or maybe health care would be better if the doctors did not have to follow any rules, why get a license, if a person wants to be a doctor well just start seeing patients. Do you see my point?
The real reason so many people label Christianity as evil is because they don't want to face up to the truth. What is the truth? Well it is pretty simple. God is a holy being and He demands death as punishment for sin. Since Adam and Eve sinned in the garden of Eden, we have all been born sinners. Just look at children, no one has to teach them to lie, or be selfish, or steal, ... It comes natural, what you have to teach them is not to do these things. Since we all sin, God demands death as our punishment. If that was the end of the story than He would be a cruel being, but it is not the end of the story. He loves us enough that He paid our debt Himself. He sent His Son (Jesus Christ - who is also God) to earth to die for our sins. So to get out of our death sentence all we have to do is believe in Jesus and ask Him to forgive us. Period, nothing else! But yet people still want to claim that God is an evil God full of hate, sorry that makes no sense at all.
You also went on to say that Jesus did not die for you. Well you are wrong, and in fact if you had been the only human being He would have still come and died for you. He will not force you to accept Him as your Savior, but He did die for you. You say you are a good person, so I will agree with you, but you are not without sin so you still come under the demand for punishment, just don't ever forget that all you have to do is ask Jesus to forgive you and He will. If all of us Chrisitan are just nuts, what have you got to lose? But what if we are right?? If we are right you have a lot to lose. Just a thought!!
Well the guestbook is not the best place to respond to comments like this but since I don't know your name or e-mail address I don't have much choice.
I came across your web site with the search term "+hate +christian +homosexual". On your web page, http://www.behindthebadge.net/respage2.html, (This is now page3) you say this in reply to a letter, "You asked if it is true that gay people are shunned by Christians. That may be true from some Christians, but if a person truly follows Christ then no it is not true. Now before we go any farther let me tell you I do shun the sin of homosexuality, but not the person."
I, too have a philosophy: "Shun the hatefulness of Christianity, but not the person", or stated alternatively, "Love the Christian, but hate Christianity."
I do not subscribe to any religious faith. I single-out Christianity here because of 1) your faith and the hateful implications as expressed on your web page and 2) the continuing hateful, even violent manifestation, of Christianity in this country.
I see your page has also a law enforcement theme. Perhaps enforcers of the law can find the bomber of the Alabama abortion clinic. This bomber is also implicated in the Atlanta bombings of the Olympics, an abortion clinic, and a gay bar.
Four hateful expressions of Hateful Christian Violence!
Writings from an organization called Army of God claim responsibility of Atlanta bombings (except the Olympics) along with a diatribe of Hateful Christian epithets and threats.
And these are only recent Christian violent attacks against citizens of this country. Violence arising from extremist Christian hate far exceeds all other terrorist events in the United States.
Because of Christianity, are all law enforcement officials charged with looking for this man really looking for him? Is the FBI receiving full cooperation from all local law enforcement in all areas? Could many of these law enforcers be slowing the process of finding him, even sabotaging the process, because they secretly believe in what is he doing?
Have a nice day,
Thanks for writing me. It appears that you read a lot of my page, but you don't seem to have understood much of it. You hate Christianity because it is a hate filled group, yet I explain many times on my page that a true Christian does not hate anything. If a person truly follows Christ then they won't do the things that you claim Christians do. Anyone can call themselves a Christian but that does not mean that they follow Christ.
I also take offense to you saying that maybe the cops are not doing all they could to catch the animal that did the bombings. Maybe you remember the bombing of the abortion clinic??? Who was it that died???? Was it an abortionist or an off duty cop???? The Police would like nothing better than to bring this guy to trial, and not just because it was a cop that he killed, they would feel the same no matter who was killed. If you think that a police officer was never killed protecting someone he did not agree with or even like than you don't understand law enforcement anymore than you understand Christianity.
Cops risk their lives everyday for people who would rather spit on them then to help him if they were bleeding to death and they do it for less pay on the whole than most factory workers.
I will admit to you that there are bad cops and there are bad people who go by the name of Christian but that does not or should not color everyone. There are bad homosexuals that try to spread AIDS in the heterosexual community too, but should I go around saying that all homosexuals do that? No and I would not say that, but yet cops and Christians don't get the same respect, yet we are the ones filled with hate, right?
I don't know why you hate cops and Christians so badly, but I am here to tell you both groups would lay their lives down for you (that is if they are a good cop and a true Christian), would you do the same for them?
If you really care what a Christian should be then read the New Testament of the Bible. If a person does not follow those teachings then they are not a Christian period. Anyone who kills even in God's name is NOT a Christian. Are Christians perfect? No, but they are to try to be.
Well thanks again for writing.
hey, this page didnt bring me to jesus, I am already a christian. but I find the " so I can pray for you" line offensive in a way. Why should you pray for me? Like it would influence God's judgment, feelings, or anything of that nature towards me? I doubt it. so please dont pray for me, cause you will just be wasting your time.
I don't understand how any Christian would take offense to another Christian wanting to pray for them, but that is up to you. Second you said you are already a Christian, well if you re-read the page it is meant for those who don't know Christ and I offer to pray for them if they accept Christ as their savior. Maybe you have had an easy walk with the Lord all your life but lots of people have a hard time and would want prayer.
I also find it strange that a Christian would say that if I pray for them I am wasting my time. I will not judge you but I think maybe you should ask God to open your eyes and your heart. I am not sure why you are so bitter but I know our first calling as Christians is to tell the world about Christ so that they can find what we have. I don't know how a person could do that if they take offense at another Christian offering to pray for someone who just accepted Christ.
Anyway thank you for writing. If you think because I say I will pray for someone, I am saying that I am better than that person you are wrong. I have to wonder how you found my page. Did you come from the Marilyn Manson site? Did you even see the rest of my site? If not you might want to go read my testimony before you start judging me. The main URL is at http://www.behindthebadge.net
I am sorry if my page offended you, but I have felt led by God to place it on the Internet, so I will not change it. Take care and I hope you can come to grips with whatever is bothering you.
I read the first two messages but had to stop immediatly after the second one. How well do you take advice from a Christian?
While you answered some tough questions well, the problem is you bible. You should be ashamed giving advice then using the bible of apostates to back it up. The King James Version is the only version I know to be the Word of God. (let me know if you think there is another) You seem well read which tells me you have heard the problems with the other (per)versions and have chosen to compromise. I hope I'm wrong and your just ignorant.
Thanks for writing me. I am glad that you hope I am just ignorant. Maybe I am but then again maybe I am just what I claim to be and that is a dedicated Christian who believes Christ was God incarnate. Totally God, totally human, sinless when born and sinless when He died for all mankind's sins. That He arose on the third day, defeating Satan and even death. That He now sits at the right hand of God the Father. That any person who believes in Him and asks for forgiveness is saved by grace through faith. I don't care which version of the Bible you get it from if you believe that you will go to heaven.
You say I surely must have heard of the problems with the NIV and other modern translations, yes I have. I have also heard of so called problems with the KJV. Have you? Not to mention all the problems I have heard about the Bible from people who do not even believe in God. I believe that the Bible is the inspired Word of God. It was not given to man in the King James Version, nor was it given in the NIV or NASB. It was given to us in Greek and the other languages of the day. However, I do believe that the God that inspired the original text was able to also inspire the newer English translations. I am sure there are places where different people translate certain words differently, however I trust God to make sure that His Word does not come back void. Below are two versions of one verse, one in the NIV and the other in the KJV. Do you disagree with either?
Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. John 14:6 (NIV)
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. John 14:6 (KJV)
I am not trying to change your mind about only believing the KJV, but it does upset me that you would go out of your way to attack me when I am trying to give the message of Jesus Christ to the lost. Don't ever lose sight of the great commission to preach the gospel to all nations. If you have honestly read the NIV and found that it does not provide a clear unadulterated version of the gospel of Jesus Christ then you are right, and I am indeed ignorant. If on the other hand, the NIV does clearly give the message of salvation then it is the Word of God, because only the Word of God will proclaim Jesus as the Christ. You called the other versions of the Bible to be the Bible of the apostates. Now if I understand what you are trying to say it is that these versions of the Bible will lead people astray. Well, like I said, if they teach the true gospel of Jesus Christ how is that possible? I agree with you that there is rapidly coming a time of great falling away, but I think it is a stretch to believe that falling away will occur due to the new translations of the Bible.
I will continue to follow Christ and preach the gospel to the lost the best way I can. I ask God to help me everyday and I know that He has helped me answer many of the questions I get asked because of my site. I know that the Holy Spirit lives in my heart and I know if He did not want me to use any translation other than the KJV He would show me that, but He has not. Again I thank you for writing, but I ask you to pray and ask God to show you whether other translations can be trusted or not. I think you will find the answer in the KJV itself. If you read the KJV it will show you that anyone (or even any Bible) that preaches the true message of Jesus Christ is from God and anyone or anything which does not preach the true gospel is not from God. Then, like I said, all you have to do is look in the new translations and see if the gospel is there and if it is the same gospel as is in the KJV.
Didn't dare to put my last response on your page! So, you must be posting portions so to suit you, not Christ. If you thought I was wrong you would have posted it in total or not at all. You didn't because you want You not Christ to shine. What a shame!! Some may be decieved. But not most that read who are versed in the Word.
Just to clarify why I did not post the second message from this gentleman is that it was long and went over the same things and did not address what the points I tried to make to him. Be that as it may, I have decided to post this exchange so that he can't say I am trying to hide anything. I do not edit entries here. I post them the way I get them except where I have to delete vulgarity.
I only put our first discussion on my page because the second was too long and to be honest I felt no one would read it. Sorry that you feel the way you do. I kind of figured you would be upset that I posted any of it. I don't see how you figure I wanted myself to shine instead of Christ. Did I not quote you correctly and not edit what I wrote back? I copied and pasted and did not edit at all, but of course you can't even give me credit for that, like you said what a shame.
I will say this one more time. I think we both agree on what it takes to gain salvation. To believe in Jesus Christ and to ask Him to forgive us of our sins and then to turn from our sin and follow Him. So if we can agree about that which is the most important part of Christianity why must we argue about things like which translation we use? You said it yourself, we should both let Christ shine through.
If you like we can have this discussion when we both are in heaven (assuming that we have both accepted Christ as our savior). I am not sure either of us will care at that point, but who knows. I am always bothered when Christians write me and don't seem to care about salvation but instead care so deeply about other non-eternal life subjects. Unless of course you believe that because I read and quote from the NIV, I don't really have salvation. I have accepted Christ as my savior and He has forgiven me my sins. If you still think I am not going to heaven because of the translation I read than you are putting human works above the finished work of Jesus Christ.
I wish you were half as concerned about the lost souls out there as you are about which Bible I read, but that is between you and God. I will continue to use God's Word and witness to the lost about how they too can obtain forgiveness through Jesus Christ.
I just think it's funny how you religious people say God loves everyone, and then you go "but if you don't acknowledge him here's what awaits": burning in the eternal fires of hell. I find it sad that religion has always been, is and always will be so desperate to recruit new followers that they must bully them into believing a made up story.
"his perfect kingdom of killing, suffering and pain
demands devotion atrocities done in his name
your god is dead and no one cares
drowning in his own hypocrisy
and if there is a hell i will see you there"
- trent reznor, the downward spiral
I am sorry that you view me as desperate to recruit new followers. I don't view it that way. All I try to do is give you the truth, what you do with it is up to you. If you see a child playing in a busy road and you tell him to get out of the road or he will be killed, does that make you hateful? Or does it show compassion on your part?
I usually put it like this. Say I am at a fork in the road. One way is a super highway which has lots of speeding cars on it, the other is a very narrow bumpy road. The problem is that the super highway has a blind curve and just beyond the blind curve is a bridge but the bridge is out. The cars are going too fast to stop once around the blind curve, so they are going off the cliff to certain death. I know this but the people in the speeding cars don't.
I feel that it is my moral responsibility to stand at the fork and try to warn people about the blind curve and the bridge being out. I try to tell them to take the slower, narrow, bumpy road because it will get them where they want to go safely. The problem is that most people don't believe me. Many just ignore me and speed along to their deaths. Some laugh at me as they continue on at break neck speed. A few stop listen and turn off onto the narrow road. Others stop get out and try to beat or kill me just for telling them something they don't want to hear.
My question is: should I continue to try to warn people even though I know they will most likely get mad at me and not listen? Or should I just get into my car and happily drive away down the narrow road and not care about the millions dying on the super highway?
I recently signed a guestbook in the same way I sign most guestbooks. Following is what I put in the guestbook.
Just surfed in to check out your page. Come visit my page too.
The following is what I received via e-mail:
How dare you leave a message in Ancients guestbook like that!!!!!!!!! I spent months working on it and you disgrace it!!!!!!! It's fine if you want to be christian, but leave the rest of the human race to worship as they please!!!!! Don't go pressing your beliefs and opinions on us we will worship as we please!!!!!!! I bet you are pro-life to. Let me just say I would like to get 30 girls pregnant, just so they could have the chance to use their constatutional right to have an abortion, if they decided to.
I went back to his page thinking that he probably deleted my entry from his guestbook, but instead I found that he had placed his own entry just above mine. Here is his entry:
Hail, A Sheep Has Entered A Realm of Wolves. Let nature take its course and let it be viciously taken off the face of this earth. Take a look at the previous guest, Ralph, a typical stupid christian, go to his homepage and see how hideous it is. This is exactly the kind of sh** Ancient is working on eliminating from our society. I will hereby ask our guests to send this guy hatemail, all kinds of viruses imaginable and whatever else can be done to punish this pathetic creature! This is war !
Thank you for writing me. I am sorry that you feel the way you do. I did not mean to upset you by signing your guestbook, that is why I never place any scripture or anything like that in the guestbooks. I could understand why you would be upset if I had, but all I did way invite you to my page.
I am not trying to force my view on anyone. As I said all I did was invite you to my page. Why is it that Christians upset you so badly? Have you ever thought about what it is that makes you so mad. You say it is that we are trying to force our religion on you, but how is that possible by just inviting you to my page? By the way in case you did not notice, my page does not condemn anyone, it only has my testimony and my love for Christ on it. Your page, if you don't mind me quoting you here, says: "Know this, slaves of christ…. Our pulse quickens with the thought of your death. Prey pawns, on your knees…prey to the god you fear, to protect you! Run Christian soldiers, for our army approaches!!!" Yet you are the one upset.
I saw what you wrote after my entry in your guestbook, but that does not bother me either. It just makes me sad. It makes me sad that you have so much hate in you for someone you don't even know. As you might imagine I get told a lot that I am forcing my religion on other people, but there is a fatal flaw in that. That flaw is this, Christ requires that a person freely accept Him as their Savior. No one can force you to do that and if somehow they could force you to say the words, it would not matter because you did not mean it. See even if I wanted to, and I don't, I could not force my religion on you. As far as forcing you to view my religious site, if you have been on the Internet for more than about 10 minutes you know that all you have to do when you get to a site you don't care for is hit the back button on your browser.
Yes I am pro-life. If you statement was meant to make me mad it did not work. It did make me feel sorry for you. I am saddened that anyone would take life so casually as to want to kill just to prove a point.
Well take care of yourself. If you would like to discuss your feelings or anything I will be right here. I will pray for you. No matter what you think, as a Christian I do not hate you. Ask yourself why I would go to a site like yours and sign the guestbook? Do you really believe it is so that I can get you mad at me? I have better things to do than that. I invited you to my site in hopes that you might see the message of Jesus Christ. Whether you think I am wrong in what I believe or not, you need to understand I do what I do because I care about others.
Thank you for signing my guestbook. I checked out and enjoyed your page. Yes I am pagan, and like most true pagans in the world, I respect all beliefs and even yours. I was once a faithful christian until upon studying the Holy Bible ( A book I still find contentment and enjoyment in reading ) that I discovered my path. Christians have been so instrumental in my pagan development that I feel I owe them so much. Passages such as these:
Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; Let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle,over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on Earth" Genesis 1:26
Leading me to know that there is not one God, but many!
Thanks for writing me. You said you had once been a faithful Christian, your words. But yet I wonder why you have never seemed to have heard of the Trinity. What I mean by the Trinity is God in three persons, God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. They are one being but yet three personages. That is why Genesis says "Let Us make man in Our image." I won't deny that the Trinity is a hard concept for the human mind to understand, but the words Us and Our should in no way lead you to believe that the Bible is teaching anything other than one living supreme God.
You shall have no other Gods before me Exodus 20:3 (3rd Commandment)
Here God does not deny the existance of other Gods. He does not say, no other false Gods, or false idols, he say's no other Gods. Even further, he does not even say do not worship other Gods at all. Just not to before him!. Meaning worship him First! So I do. (Even though he is a Jealous and Angry God)
One thing you have to remember is that the Bible was written for human beings. You see man is very good at making other gods. If the most important thing in your life is money then it is your god. Does that mean it is alive and can do anything for you like the Living God can? No, but it is a god to you. Almost anything can be a god in a persons life, that is what the Bible is talking about. Man makes statues and calls them gods and worships them, or man worships the wind and the rain, so they are gods. So in a way you are right there are many gods, but in fact there is only one real living God. Look at what Jesus has to say about it: John 5:43-44 "I have come in my Father's name, and you do not accept me; but if someone else comes in his own name, you will accept him. How can you believe if you accept praise from one another, yet make no effort to obtain the praise that comes from the only God?"
Then Cain went out from the presence of the Lord and dwelt in the land of Nod on the East of Eden. And Cain knew his wife, and she conceived and bore Enoch. And he built a city and called the name of the city after the name of his son -- Enoch Genesis 4:16-17
This always puzzled me because I wondered where his wife came from. Of course the Legends of Cain and Abel were as most Legends, derived from Pagan folklore. Cain and Able is nothing more than an adaptation of Osiris and his brother Typhon, whom slew his brother Osiris. And from Norse mythology as well with Thor and Loki. Of course Loki never slew Thor, but certainly not from lack of trying, after which Loki was cast out of Valhalla to a nether region where he came to know his wife Hel. I could quote a dozen others, but you do not want to read e-mail for hours.
It is not hard to figure where Cain's wife came from. She would have been either his sister or possibly a niece. The Bible says God created Adam and Eve and told them to be fruitful and multiply. They had many children. Since they were the only couple God created then their children would have to marry their brothers and sisters. But you must remember the gene pool would have been pure at that time, so it would not have the same effect doing that would today.
Another is the immaculate conception of Jesus Christ. Been done and done and done. Budda was a child of immaculate conception as was Osiris, Dionyus, Gruagach... again too many to mention!
The point is, is that there is no original content in the Bible that was not at first a Pagan belief. Even all christian holidays were originally pagan ones.
You are only half right. First you say all holidays were originally pagan. Well that is only half right. The pagans had a holiday in December but instead of celebrating that the Christians decided to celebrate Christ's birth. Easter was a pagan holiday, but the Christians did not want to celebrate that either so they celebrate Christ's death and resurrection.
Now you say that there is no original content in the Bible. You are wrong. The problem is that Satan has never had any original thoughts. Everything he has set up in other religions has been a mockery of God's plan. You need to check out the dates on the original transcripts before you claim everything in the Bible is copied after paganism. I will give you another example that has not even happened yet, but it will. Christ rose from the dead, well Satan has not gotten that into any religion yet, but during the tribulation he will cause the false prophet to come back to life after a 'fatal' wound. Again his attempt to mock Christ. So in a way I agree with you but you have it backwards.
So whose religion is the right one??? My answer is both. All regions are based in essence in and around each other. Mine is much older is all. Beliefs are different but essentially the same in all denominations. And of Christianity supercharges life for you my friend, than I support it in you with all of my being. For I love all mankind as I love all the Earth surrounding mankind in Nature. And I respect each and every beleif.
Let me ask you something, what is going to happen to you once you stop breathing? Do you become one with the universe? Do you come back as someone else? Deep in your heart I believe there is the knowledge that what makes you, who you are will never die. What I mean by that is I don't believe you can honestly believe that one day you will just cease to exist. I know I can't believe that. God made us eternal beings and I think we all deep down know it. We will either spend eternity enjoying God and His creation or suffering. But one place or another we will exist for ever.
I believe that the reason Christianity became so popular is the fact that man created a Good and Evil system with it by creating within the confines of their minds, the myth of Satan (One I do not personally believe) to scare people into Christianity. To make Christianity sound wholesomely good, and anything that differs a damnation. The thousands killed in the Crusades and the Burning Times for not believeing I am sure helped a good bit as well.
Man did not create good and evil. You can believe that if you want to, but why would man do that? Why would a bunch of guys just decide to create a religion then be willing to die for the lie they made up? You can document the deaths of almost all of the early Christians without looking at the Bible. The Romans kept very good records. Why would a person be willing to die for a made up tail if all they had to do is admit it was false and then they could live?
Also I hear a lot that "Christians" killed thousands in the Crusades and the burning times. The problem is that you can't prove Christians killed even one person. Before you go nuts on me, let me explain. I agree thousands of people were killed but I disagree that "Christians" did it. Now I will admit that these people claimed to be Christians, but my problem with that is what is a Christian? A Christian is someone who follows Christ. Will you agree with that? Now if a person follows Christ they will not kill as those people did. Christ told His followers to go tell the world of the good news, but He never once said, go kill anyone who refuses to believe. So by the mere fact that these people did kill many people proves they were not Christians.
Anyway I do not know if you read through this all. It is not my intension to have you convert, but only to understand the ways of my kind better. We do not believe in or worship your Satan. We are about all good things in Love and Nature. Brightest Blessings to you
Walk in both Love and Light
I have heard that before and I believe that you really believe that. But my problem with that is that if you deny Christ than you are serving Satan and fulfilling his plan. I would like to ask you a few questions. You said you use to be a Christian, does that mean you at one time asked Jesus to come into your heart and forgive you of your sins? If you never asked Him to be your Savior than you never really knew Him. There are many false religions out there. This is what Jesus had to say about it: Matthew 7:22-23 Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'
Well I enjoyed this discussion. If you would like to continue it I would love to also. Take care.
Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world. 1 John 4:1-3
Please pray for these people. Pray that the Holy Spirit will continue to speak to them, and that they will find a true personal realationship with Jesus Christ.
Do you have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ? If you don't would you like to have?
Yes I would like to know Jesus.
No! I don't care!
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