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I have found out that the Marilyn Manson site has a link to my page. It describes my site as:
"yer daily dose O' bible drivel"
I am sure it is meant to ridicule me and the message of Jesus Christ, but I will stand firm on God's word.

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THIS EMAIL IS NOT MEANT AS TERROISM.

Hello. Pray to Satan for me. Because God is LIE. Created by the government to control us all. God is good. God is great. God created everything. If God is so good, why do we have poverty, disease, sluts, murder, serial killers. Satan, in my eyes, represents reality. He represents all bad things, and most of reality is bad. Please clear my confused mind.

Thank you.

Thank you for writing. I think you are half right. Satan is responsible for all the bad things. God allows things like poverty, murder, etc... because of sin. He (God) does not like these things anymore than you do. God could stop everyone from ever murdering again, but if He did then we would no longer have free will. See people choose to kill other people, they choose to lie, steal, cheat, you name it. If God did not allow us to choose anything bad, then we would no longer be able to be free. He could make everyone worship Him, He could have made it so you could not have written the things that you did to me, but would that be love? I don't think so. If He stopped us from making decisions then we would be no more than slaves.

God loved us enough to come to earth as one of us (as Jesus Christ). He died for us and our sins, because of the very reason you stated, man is evil. No one can pay for their own sins, God had to do it for us. Think about how much love it must have taken to die for people who would turn their backs on Him, worship Satan, say He is dead, or evil, or whatever. It is one thing to give your life for someone who loves you, like one of your family, but man it takes a lot of love to die for someone who hates you.

Like I said God could take all the evil out of the world, but if He did it right now, then anyone who has not accepted Jesus as their savior would die. So by not taking all the sin and evil out of the world He is giving those people more chances to be saved. That sounds more loving than, killing all the bad people tonight, even though that would stop the evil. But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Romans 5:8

One last point I wanted to make from your letter. You said the government created God to control us. If you really believe that then why has this same government done so much to destroy God, by taking prayer out of the schools, by separating church and state, etc...?

I would enjoy discussing this with you at more length, but that is up to you. I will pray for you, but not to Satan, to God, who loves you whether you love Him or even believe in Him or not. Take care.

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Sorry...for the delayed response.
Most of what you say I understand but the government thing. I still believe my point because maybe they take prayer out of schools because we don't HAVE to pray. We shuold but if they forced us too that would be very wrong because america is a multinational country and we may be forcing muslims to pray to God instead of Allah. Etc. the govermnment considered this when they created god and also kept in mind the rights we have in the constituion. Some people believed the "god" thing and are somewhat maipulated by the government.

PS...Im sorry about the casual use of His name. Im not sure the properness and stuff because I was not brought up to know that.

Don't worry about how long it took to get back to me. I get busy too so I understand. You are doing fine as far as using God's name. As long as you are talking about Him it is okay, I believe if you use His name in vain that is wrong, but not if you are actually talking about Him.

What government do you think made up God? I ask because if you think it was the US government then how do you explain why the Pilgrims came here in the first place. As I remember it was because they wanted religious freedom from England. That would show that God existed before that time. In fact the King James version of the Bible was commissioned by King James of England.

In fact God was well known and believed in the Roman Empire. Plus I don't understand if the government made Him up to control the people then why would they care if they stepped on Muslim's toes and made them worship God?

I know that the whole religious thing is hard to understand sometimes, but there are books that will tell you things about it. For instance: Cornelius Tacitus a Roman historian, in A.D. 112, son-in-law of Julius Agricola wrote that, Nero started persecuting the 'Christians' in an effort to get the heat off himself about the burning of Rome. Now none of that proves that Jesus Christ was who He said He was, but it does show that He was a real person whom other people followed. And that account was written 1,885 years ago! There are more but I won't take the time to write them here. I don't want to bore you.

My point is that whether you believe that Jesus Christ was God come to earth or not you can prove that someone by that name did live 2,000 years ago and that He said He was God's Son and people followed Him. So He could not have been invented by any present government and since He claimed to be the Son of God, God could not be solely a modern invention either.

I have a couple of questions for you. If you don't believe in God, what do you believe in? How did we get here? I think it takes much more faith to believe that everything we see came from two gases coming together than it does to believe that there is a higher being that created us.

Hey I am enjoying discussing this with you. I hope you are too. Take your time if you are busy. I will be busy for the next couple of weeks, so I will answer but it might take me a few days. Take care.

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Well now that you've made an ass of me. no, just joking.

I am not sure what I believe. I think the most logical idea is that everything on earth evolved basically from single-celled organisms.I am not sure if i should believe this. Or should i believe in a higher diety. If the truth is that a "god" created everything, then i am quite sure it is not the Christian aspect of God. I think the actual God would be one that loves all, even sinners, homosexuals etc. It is true that gay people are shunned by Christianity, right? And also, why would God have made such a point to give each race of humans a completely different view of their God. Wars can start over who is right or wrong. Surely God did not want this. Also, just a sort of twisted idea to input here::

Maybe God died and now all that He hates has been brought forth, "poverty, disease, etc." That could be it. I dont know. I am also enjoying this discusion.
Please continue to continue it with me.

Thanks, bye.

How much do you know about the 'Christian God' as you call Him? What I mean is you made a statement that made it sound as if you don't think God is a loving God. I would be very interested in why you thought that.

As far as why God would have different races have different view of Him, I think you are blaming the wrong being. I believe God wants all men no matter what race to know Him. The problem is that Satan does not want that. Here is a brain teaser for you, did you know that the names God and Jesus are curse words in almost every language on earth? How can that be? I believe it is because of Satan, who hates God. Think about it, the name Buddha is not a curse, nor is Allah, but yet the name of the 'Christian God' is. Don't you think that is strange?

You asked if it is true that gay people are shunned by Christians. That may be true from some Christians, but if a person truly follows Christ then no it is not true. Now before we go any farther let me tell you I do shun the sin of homosexuality, but not the person. What I mean by that is we have all sinned and only through the blood of Jesus Christ can we be saved. "This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus." Romans 3:23-25 So it would not be right of me to hate a homosexual, but I do hate the sin. Now before you try to tell me that they are born that way take a look at this site: http://www.stonewallrevisited.com/ It has the testimonies of about 50 ex-homosexuals on it. Almost all of them thought they were born that way until Christ came into their lives. It is a very interesting sites whether you are gay or straight.

I won't try to tell you that everyone is born the same. I have never been attracted to another man, so I don't know how hard that would be to overcome. I have had my own temptations however which I have had to struggle with. Everyone has areas where they are weak. Lots of people have bad tempers but not all of them kill people. Many people were born with the tendency to be an alcoholic but not all of them are. The reason is that they just don't drink, or they got help, etc... I as a Christian don't hate anyone but I do hate sin.

Well I did not go into all of the things I wanted to but I don't want to make this message too long. I will be out of town off and on for the next couple of weeks. I will be able to get my e-mail but may not have time to answer until the weekends. So if I don't answer right away, don't worry about it.

Ralph

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Ralph,
Nice to see you visited my website and signed my guestbook...I guess from reading my web site you figured out what I belive in...Well...unlike other people with my belifes that you may have spoken to I am not one to "bitch" you out for putting up your website in my guestbook...how ever I decided to visit your web site I read over some things... Well I am sorry about your life as a police officer and what horrid things you saw and happened to you but you knew that it was like that when you joined...

And well I just don't belive in what you wan't me to belive in...I have had a hard life myself and have learned what most don't ever learn and I KNOW it.. And when I grew up I went to church ever sunday morning and evening...every wed...and sometimes fridays....I was best friends with my preachers daughter...when I got to be more of a teenager I began to (not question that there was a god) wonder if what I was being tought was the truth because I could see threw some lies...so I went to other religions mormans...jahovah witnesses and such and when I became on my own at the age of 15 (the reason I left so young was b/c my mother beat me, my father molested me, my older cousign molested and then raped me repeatedly, my brother molested me I was raped by my friends husband and then kicked out by my mother because she couldn't handle it and all the while being reminded that all of this was because they all thought it was ok to do this horrid things to me because I was not blood...you see I am ADOPTED and I don't to this day know who my real parents are, and my WHOLE family is christian....excuse me but what the f*** is wrong with these people? And to think that sence I have no family I still have to assosiate with these f***ed up people... by reasons that are beyond my control... But anyways I studied many religions and found them all to be false...how stupid do you think we are to just listen to you say "you don't need to understand what all of it is..just BELIVE IN IT" What? I am not 5 here....you don't just listen to strangers and do what they say just because they say its right and I'm wrong...and why should I listen to you? And your book? The Bible...I ask you why do you belive in the bible? and what it says? I've asked others this question and they say because its so old and because people have been following it for so long...another says just because the book says its right...well I know other books that are older...that tell truth where i can not find any lies it all makes sence. unlike the bible...

I think that if you christians want to get people to belive in your religion you need to prove that your way is right.any smart person would question this religion and any other...I have found my truth... and I have found who god is.....ralph you think christians are so right even tho they don't know why and what...just to belive...but think of this...there are alot of people who don't belive in what you belive in and have a difference of perception...and they all think they are right just like you...and they will die beliving what they chose to belive just like you.. they all want to make others belive in what they belive in just like you...they all are good people just like you...so....if you think there all wrong... so are you....because your just like every one else in a whole...so whats the chance that your the only religion that is right...? you wanna tell me that out of all the people in the whole world only the christians are right??? there are alot more people than christians and more who belive differently from you.. so everyone is going to hell?

I know that I may be wrong and I know you can be wrong but you wanna know what makes me different from everyone else? I know why things are...I know how...I understand...I accept things I don't try to change what people belive in...and I don't JUDGE people for what they belive in... its fine with me if your a christian...just don't try and take away my belifes...because its a horrid thing to do to someone...you take away what someone belives in and it can distroy peoples lives... I feel you are hurting people more than your helping them by confusing them and feeding them lies...

So just like I said: " I don't mind that you are a christian...but don't try to change me"

ps...ralph...prove you are right and I would reconsider...but I know you can't ...but I think that everyone should study other religions before they decide there fate....

Thanks for writing me. Wow I am glad your are not the kind to give me heck! Just kidding. I am not sure I can address all your points in one e-mail, so forgive me if I seem to ignore something.

You are only partly right about being a cop. I did not and I don't think anyone does, realize exactly what it would be like until they are already in it. But I hope you don't think I was complaining, I was not I was only trying to explain where I was coming from mentally.

You will not hear me stick up for everyone or for that matter anyone just because they say they are Christians. I take what you told me at face value, so I will tell you straight out that your adopted family were not Christians! No matter what they said, no matter what the church they went to said. That is because anyone can say they are Christians, but to be a Christian you have to follow Christ and from what you said not one of them did. There have been many people killed in the world by "Christians" too, but Christ never once said go kill anyone who does not believe. In fact he demanded that we pray for our enemies and love our neighbors as we love ourselves.

I can't say that I blame you for feeling like you do about Christians, but the sad part is that the people who said they were Christians and did these things were not.

You said you have never had a Christian tell you why they believe in the Bible other than to say because others do or because it is so old. Well I am not like them, I will tell you why I believe. There are a number of reasons, one is that Christ told us to study the old testament which is part of the Bible. He also said that it is God's word. But to believe any of that you have to already believe the Bible, I understand that. So you have to look and see if the Bible is true or not.

First lets look at some of the prophecies made by the old testament: The prophet Isaiah, writing about 700 B.C., named Cyrus as the king who would tell the people to rebuild Jerusalem and the Temple (Isaiah 44:28; 54:1) At the time of Isaiah's writing, the city of Jerusalem was fully built and the entire temple was standing. Not until more than 100 years later, in 586 B.C., would the city and Temple be destroyed by King Nebuchadnezzar. After Jerusalem was taken by the Babylonians, it was conquered by the Persians in about 539 B.C. Shortly after that, a Persian king named Cyrus gave the decree to rebuild the Temple in Jerusalem.

There are plenty more but I am pretty sure you don't want to hear them. My point is that I can find proof of historical events in the Bible that happened after the writers of the Bible said they were going to happen. Now the following does not prove that He was who He said He was, but the following people (who were not Christians) wrote about Jesus: Cornelius Tacitus (born A.D. 52-54) a Roman historian, Lucian of Samosata, a satirist of the second century, Flavius Josephus (born A.D. 37) a Jewish historian, Suetonius (A.D. 120) Roman historian and court official under Hadrian, Plinius Secundus, Pliny the Younger - Governor of Bithynia in Asia Minor.

One of the things you said, came from my Salvation page. It was the part about 'you don't have to understand, just believe' well saying it that way it does not make sense. But if you take it in context it does. What I was talking about was the Trinity. That is a concept that humans have a hard time with. That there are three beings, yet they are all one. I did not mean that you should just except everything with out proof.

You also went on to say that I was hurting other people by telling them that their way was wrong. Well I believe what Jesus said and that was: "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6 I did not say that Jesus did. To be a Christian I have to believe that statement, otherwise be default I am not a Christian. Now lets say that I do believe (which I do) then if I love others like I am suppose to, I must try to help them find the right way which is Jesus. Believe it or not I get a lot of flack, but I continue and that is because I believe with all my heart that it is the right thing to do.

Here is an example. Let's say that there is a turn off to a road and on that road there is a curve and just past the curve is a bridge that has washed out. I know that the bridge is out, but no one driving down the road can see it until it is too late to stop and going off the bank would kill them. Now I have a choice, I can try to stop cars at the turn off and warn them, even though I know that some of them will roll up the windows, give me the finger and driver even faster toward the bridge that is out, some will stop and thank me (but very few), and some will be so mad at me for trying to tell them that they will stop get out and try to beat the crap out of me, then speed down the road anyway. Morally, what should I do? Should I still try to warn people, or go about my business and just be thankful that at least I know the bridge is out?

I will never try to force anything on anyone. Even if I did try it would not work. Do you know why? Because God requires a person to come to Him of their own free will. I could force someone to say a prayer but it would mean nothing. All I do is try to tell people, what they do with the information is up to them.

I am terribly sorry that so called Christians have treated you the way they did, but please don't turn on God because of them. He loves you. Humans will always let you down.

Also you asked me not to try to change you, I am not trying to do that. All I want is for you to know God and the love He has for you. I will pray for you. I hope I have not upset you anymore, I have not meant to. If you would like to discuss anything further please feel free to write. You will find that I am not like a lot of 'Christians' who will just answer by saying "well God said so" I will try my best to give you an answer.

I noticed that you sent the message to me to a bunch of other people, I did not reply to everyone. I figured if you want them to read it you would forward it to them. If you write back and I don't answer right away, I am not ignoring you, I will be out of town for a couple of days. I hope you don't mind me praying for you. I will do it with a loving heart because I care about you. If I am wrong about God then my prayer will mean nothing anyway, but if I am right it just might help you. Fair enough? Take care.

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You might want to pray for your own salvation, when the antichrist comes you will suffer just like the next, and personally I don't think you or any of your "christian" buddies are stronge enough to take the torture. Unless you think you are one of the 144,000 that will be "saved". HA!

Thanks for writing me. You know you are right. If I am still on this earth when the anitchrist comes I will be one that will suffer. And again you are right, I am not strong enough to resist the torture. No I do not think I am one of the 144,000 (since I am not a jew). Now you might ask yourself if I agree with everything you have said what am I doing as a Christian?

Well it is like this. I don't plan on being here when the antichrist sets up his kingdom. See I believe in the rapture of the church. This is where Jesus comes back and takes the Christians out of this world before the worst of the antichrist stuff happens. There are other Christians who believe that we will not be taken out until after this stuff happens. That scares me, but yet I know that if that is the way it is to happen that God will give me the strength I need at the time to resist.

I will pray for you.

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!

You are weak and ignorant...

SatanLuvsU

P.S:Please dont pray for me, it gets annoying...

Hey thanks for writing to me. You got one thing wrong. Satan does not love anyone. He hates God and that is why he wants to keep people from God. It is the only way he can hurt God at all. He knows his time is short and he knows that God loves all men. So the only way to hurt God is to keep men from knowing God.

I am sorry that my praying for you is annoying.

"The soul who sins is the one who will die." Ezekiel 18:9

"But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us" Romans 5:8

Take care and if you ever change your mind I will be here feel free to write me.

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You obviously have some problems of your own and don't need to be preaching to other people. Are you saying the Jews killed Jesus? Well i have to say that sounds a bit like you are a nazi. The Romans killed Jesus, the jews had nothing to do with it. You killed your own god and you expect others to pay for your sins. People like you think they have a license to hate because Jesus will accept you no matter what. He would not condone judgement of others.

Thanks for writing me. I am sorry if you misunderstood my page.

I am not sure where you are coming from. I don't blame or hate anyone. As far as who killed Jesus yes it was the Romans who carried out the sentence, but who asked for it? But again that is beside the point. The point is that He 'did' die and in doing so He made it possible for 'all' men to be forgiven from their sins. All you have to do is believe on Him and ask Him to forgive you of your sins.

I don't expect anyone to pay for my sins, except Jesus and He has already paid with His life. I don't know if you are a Jew or not, but if you are then you are one of God's people, but you (or I should say the Jew's) rejected Christ. It is not too late. He loves you and He died for you.

I will pray for you. Again I am sorry if my site upset you. I don't hate or blame anyone. As for historical fact well I can't change that. But remember the important thing is that Jesus died for ALL men no matter whether they were Jews or not.

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F*** you, you fascest Self-delusion pig. Why don't you Crawl back under the rock you came from, to join the magots you evolved from.

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GET A LIFE...HE IS NOT REAL....SOMEONE WAS BORED AND THOUGHT THEY WOULD START WRITING A BOOK AND DECIDED TO CALL IT THE BIBLE....ANS SAY THE THERE IS A RULER CALLED GOD AND DECIDED TO MAKE IT A PROFITING BUSINESS ........ RELIOGN KILLS PEOPLE LOOK AT IRELAND HEY....YOUR HOLDING FALSE HOPE....STOP PUSHING IT ON TO PEOPLE THAT AIN'T INTERESTED IN YOUR GARBAGE....BELEIVE IN LIFE NOT BULLS***....

Thanks for writing me. I am sorry you believe the way you do. I will pray for you anyway. I agree that a lot of what is called religion today is false. A lot of people who call themselves Christians are not following Christ. If they don't follow Christ then they are not truely Christians. Christ taught us in the Bible to love one another and to go into all the world and teach people about Him not to go into the world and kill people. You have to look at the things people do to tell if they are truely Christians or not.

As for me forcing my beliefs on anyone, I don't know how you can say that, no one is forced to read my page. I am sorry if it upset you.

If you ever change your mind and want to talk or want to know more just let me know.

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Forgive me for asking, but, if God is all forgiving and all knowing and all loving...how come you write that all of man will not be saved that those who do not belive in Jesus or Lord will not be saved? I always here God loves you, well what if you don't belive in him? He still loves you right and won't those people go to heaven, what about dogs, cats and all other animals? I think they are in Heaven too. Do they belive?

I am very much a part of God as he is of me. I like your page and am not offended by your word, but do you have to scare people into beliveing? I think not.

And yes I think you were actually brave in writing the man back!!! Good for you!

Thank you for writing me. Yes I do believe that God loves all men. However I also believe what He says in His word (the Bible) and that is that the only way to Him (and Heaven) is through Jesus Christ. God does not want anyone to not go to Heaven, but He has laws and we must obey them. I don't want to scare anyone into anything, but I do want them to know the truth. If you tell someone that does not know what a car is that you should not play in the road because you might get hurt or killed, is that wrong? I don't believe it is. You could just tell them that it is not a good idea and you wouldn't do it, but then if they do play in the street and get hurt, don't you think they would be mad at your for not telling them the truth?

"The soul who sins is the one who will die." Ezekiel 18:9

"But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us" Romans 5:8

I don't want to send too big of a message to you, but if you would like to know more please write me back. I would be happy to talk to you more.

I believe with all my heart that God loves you, but He wants to have a personal relationship with you, and that takes Jesus Christ. Jesus died for our sinnes so that we could have a relationship with God the Father.

Take care and I will pray for you.

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Your page is very inspiring, It amazes me to see how much time and effort you have put into your web site. I disagree with the opinions on abortion, women should always have the right to choose. Having the baby is not always the right choice.

Thank you for writing. I am sorry you took my stand on abortion that way. I do believe that abortion is wrong, anytime, but you missed part of my point. My point is that it is legal therefore a women should have the right to make her own choice. My problem is that the women should be allowed to know the whole truth and make a choice on the merits of both sides. That is not what happens. Did you read the article by the women who ran the abortion clinic? You may not believe her but I know this kind of thing happens. I know women who have had abortions and have regretted it ever since. Why? Well because at the time they had the abortion they felt that it was the only choice they could make, so they went to an abortion clinic for help. They were never given any choice or told anything other than that they needed to go ahead and do it quickly. Then afterwards everything changed. There was no one to help them, they were on their own. I think that is wrong!

I believe an abortion is between a women and God, but I don't want any woman to have one then later realize that maybe there was another way. Now if the woman is helped and told about the other programs that are available and still has the abortion, then that is her choice. You know one of the things that they tell the women is that the baby is just a glab of flesh, well that is not true, the baby has hands, finger nails, eyes, feet and toes. Why would they not tell the woman that? Because they are afraid it may change the choice that the woman makes. How can anyone defend that? I don't hate anyone for having an abortion, but I would like to know that they made the choice knowing everything.

I am sorry if you think I was preaching at you, but I feel strongly about this. I do not condone the things that many anti-abortion rights people do, but I also don't condone what the pro-abortion people do.

There are two victims in every abortion, the baby and the mother. We may not be able to save the baby but at least don't make the mother a victim too.

Well thanks again for the kind words about my site. If you would like to talk more please just e-mail me I would be glad to.

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Please allow me to quote you: "Well what is important is that you believe it, not that you understand it." That sounds a bit fascist to me (no offense to you), didn't Hitler say that to his follwers? After all Der Fuhrer loosely translates (and I do stress loosely as I am by no means a translator) to "The Father." Is it not important to understand and then believe???? How can you believe in somthing when you do not understand it? I could take that further in anticipation of your rebuttal and say, "How can one believe in life if we do not understand it?" Now that's a hard one to answer, yet it is also simple, I believe I am alive because I have experienced, am experiencing, and shall continue to experience life. Now obviously you and I have quite different opinions about religion, mine being that "Religion is the opiate of the masses-Karl Marx" (although I am by no means a Marxist, Socialist, or Communist-quite the opposite in fact.) Your opinion of religion is obviously pro, while mine is anti. That is fine, I am not going to change you, and I hope you respect my courtesies by not attempting to try to change mine. Perhaps the words of Simon and Garfunkel work well here, "A man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest." What I should like to know is how religion promotes intelligent people like myself, does not "God" supposedly embrace all people stupid/weak as well as intelligent/strong. What I want to know is why "God" would accept a person who never worked a day in their life as allowed for society to support them into "His" "kingdom"? I want to know why your "God" would take the stupid/weak into his heaven even when they have done nothing for society as a whole? Should not the strong/intelligent be the ones "saved"?

Just so you do not get the wrong idea about me, I am not a racsist, I am not a fascist, I am not a Satanist (I won't even bother you with the definition of what a true "Satanist" is supposed to be), I am not a Communist, a Socialist or a Marxist. What I am is an intelliegent college student, and a Social Darwinist, and my main question to you is, why does your "God" accept those who do nothing worthy while on Earth? (No, I am not talking about Eugenics either.) If your "God" is strong and wise like "many" claim he is, then it seems strange to me that "he" would accept the weak and stupid, when "he" could have the strong and intelliegent "beside him".

Yes you could say that these weak/stupid people may be good and/or kind and filled with love, well love is all fine and dandy, however, how does it change the world as a whole? In what some would call a "karmic" sense, I'm sure would do something, but why must "we" love everybody? Doesn't that destroy the value of love?

While Christianity has some good virtues, morals, and interesting stories inherent within it, it seems to me that it has been perverted and misused throughout many years. It seems sad to me that many men and womnen over thousands of years have been killed in the name of your "God", and what for? An abortion doctor killed to prevent babies from being killed? Where does it all make sense. I cannot believe in something that does not believe in me. And the word believe itself, quite clever whoever discovered this but if you look closely you'll find the word LIE. beLIEve.

Well, I just wanted to have my say, and I'm sure in your mind I am already burning in the firey pits of "Hell", and if I ever do I will do so gladly knowing that I never belonged to anyone but myself.

Thank you for writing to me. You wrote a lot and I doubt that I can respond to it all in one e-mail message, but there are few things I wanted to address.

First you quoted me: "Well what is important is that you believe it, not that you understand it." You did quote me correctly but you took it out of context. I was talking about the Trinity, and that is something that humans have a hard time understanding. I know there are lots of things that you believe in that you can't explain or totally understand. I work with computers, I understand more than most people, but do I understand them totally? No. Does that mean that I should not trust them or use them? I don't think so.

You also said the following:
"How can one believe in life if we do not understand it?" Now that's a hard
one to answer, yet it is also simple, I believe I am alive because I have
experienced, am experiencing, and shall continue to experience life.

Well I think you just answered part of your own question. I have experienced God and His grace and I continue to experience it every day.

WHile Christianity has some good virtues, morals, and interesting
stories inherent within it, it seems to me that it has been perverted
and misused throughout many years. It seems sad to me that many men and
womnen over thousands of years have been killed in the name of your
"God", and what for? An abortion doctor killed to prevent babies from
being killed? Where does it all make sense. I cannot believe in
something that does not believe in me.

I understand where you are coming from in this but I think we have to come to an agreement about a few things first. For one, not everyone who says they are Christians follow Christ. And in my book that means they are not truly Christians. If I tell you I am a Christian, but I kill someone or I steal, or whatever then I cannot truly be a Christian. So the killings that were done in God's name by "Christians" were done by evil people. Anyone who kills an Abortion Doctor is following Satan not God!! No exceptions!! That is what I believe. I also believe that the doctor will someday answer to God for what he has done, but it is not up to me to be his judge. There are a lot of things in my past that I don't ever want to answer to God for, but luckily because of the cleansing blood of Jesus Christ I will not have to answer for them. I believe no one will have to answer for acts they have done if they accept Christ as their Savior. Now after becoming a Christian, they must follow Him and that means not doing those things anymore. You can know a Christian by his actions.

You said you cannot believe in something that does not believe in you. Okay I agree, but what gives you the idea that Christianity does not believe in you? You are what it is all about!! You are a child of God and He wants you to have a relationship with Him. Why do you think Christians try to get other people to come to know God? This is not a secret that we try to hide, or that we only give it to certain people.

What I should like to know is how religion promotes intelligent people
like myself, does not "God" supposedly embrace all people stupid/weak as
well as intelligent/strong. What I want to know is why "God" would
accept a person who never worked a day in their life as allowed for
society to support them into "His" "kingdom"? I want to know why your
"God" would take the stupid/weak into his heaven even when they have
done nothing for society as a whole? Should not the strong/intelligent
be the ones "saved"?

Here again I think we have to make sure we are on the same page. I believe God loves every human being no matter who they are or what they have done in the past. But I also believe that even though God gives salvation freely there is still a price to pay and that price is to change from that point on. Now the Bible says that we are not to judge each other because we cannot know what is in each others hearts, but still I believe that you can look at the person over all and tell a lot about them. I don't think that a person that really has accepted Jesus as their Savior and is walking in God's will would be a burden on society. I believe that they would get out and work and be a productive citizen.

Now if God only took people who deserved salvation, heaven would be a pretty lonely place. Not one man has ever lived that deserved salvation. God gives it to those who ask because He loves all of us. No matter how strong or intelligent we are we cannot earn it.

You sound like you think only stupid/weak people follow God. Well I beg to differ. Look around the world there are many Christian's today that are persecuted because of their faith. Are they weak? What about all the people who have died because of their faith, were they weak? Or were/are all those people stupid? I hope you don't think they were stupid. What about the people who died for our country? Stupid? What about the Police Officer's who give their lives for others? Stupid? Firefighters? See what I mean, there are lots of people who are neither stupid or weak that believe there are things worth giving their lives for. I was a Marine during the Vietnam war, I felt my country was worth my life, then I was a Deputy Sheriff, I felt that protecting others was worth my life. I am also a Christian and I believe that God is well worth my life -- if that is what it comes to. I never wanted to die and I don't now but as I said there are some things that are worth it.

Well I didn't mean to go on that much. I hope you will think about some of the things I said. If you would like to continue this discussion, I would like it. I will pray for you.

Thanks again for writing to me and for visiting my page.

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Wow this really helped me to better understand how Christianity is based on a total CROCK. I mean I knew it before but this is a really good summary of the lack of logic involved in the whole Belief System of religions. Yeah I do have more to say but it is pretty late for me and I have school tomorrow so I will spare myself staying up all night and getting myself all involved. Sorry if you wanted to hear more but this is all the juice I have left in me. I really think the article is great and will go look for somemore quality reading material before I go to sleep tonight

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Despite all of your happy and seemingly benign words, what you are doing obvious and it is wrong. It's a clever idea. Whenever I see a new entry in my guestbook I go to that person's web page. A lot of times, I even email them to say thanks. The truth is, nearly everyone I know does that. That's how you get people to sign your guestbook. And that's what you are doing. You leave a nice comment and a banner that could mean anything. So of course, if you sign someone's guestbook, many people would like to return the favor. So, I go to your page in search of a guestbook. And what do I discover? Someone trying to force their beliefs on me and everyone else. What you are doing is wrong. Of course, I totally agree with Freedom of Religion. But guess what? The whole point of the constitution is to protect _everybody's_ rights. And your page infringes on the rights of others. And as far as geocities goes... Well your page certainly offends me and they had every right to delete it... Anti-Christian?? That's a bold accusation. Anti-Christian...does that mean Satanists? I don't care if people are Satanists as long as they don't try to convert me to it. And you know what? Not one Satanist has tried to convert me. Neither has a Buddhist, or a Jewish person or a Wiccan, or a Shaman....No, but 100's of Christians have tried to convert me...and now you. Why is that? And how did you find my page? Are you aware that "Freja" is the name of a Nordic _goddess_? Your page is is ridiculous and once again, I applaud geocities.

Thanks for writing me. I am sorry that you think that me inviting you to my page is trying to force something on you. You and I both know that with the Internet if you go somewhere you don't like all you have to do is press the back button on your browser. I am sorry if you took my page wrong. I am not trying to force anything down your throat.

I will pray for you. I know you don't care but what could it hurt? If you ever change your mind and would like to talk more please feel free to write me. Take care and I hope you find what you are looking for.

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Okay - I am writing back after viewing the many postings of messages and responses. I find it quite interesting that there can be such argumentative topics between belief and non belief in the self-proclaimed "Holy Spirit" These people seem ignorant in their beliefs in that they have not completed their course in Christianity 101. These people should spend more time reading up on what they are supposedly believing in rather than sending empty statements. You are pretty much the only person that I can see that has indefinately decided his own destiny of choice. For that I give you much respect. Just wanted to speak my mind for a minute. Feel free to e-mail me any time. I would definately appreciate a response to this message and furthermore - I would post a page concerning my thoughts on Christianity/Non-Christianity, but why would I tell other people how I feel. People need to be strong enough to make their own choices in life.

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You are not permitted to sign any of the fun central guestbooks due to the breaking of the guestbook you signed in rule. You were aloud to post one picture, and you posted many, also there was no chrisitan or religous links aloud!!! All your entrys in past guestbooks will be erased, and if you sign again, you'll be in serious trouble.

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I like the way that you stand in line and pray salvation from the empty skies. You are definitely not a scientist. I believe in something greater, but ritualistic religion is the spawn of superstitious paganism. Think for yourself and make your own righteous way; don't depend on the teachings of a myth designed to keep the plebeians in check. Religion is for the weak of mind. An intelligent man recognizes and makes his own way. I don't deny a God, I just don't depend on one. If he is there, that is how he would want it. Thanks for you time.

Thank you for writing to me. I am sorry that you feel that way. Why do you believe a God that created us would not want us to know Him? Or don't you believe that He created us? Do you really believe that everything you see around you happened by chance? Now that is faith. If that is what you believe you have much more faith than I do.

Have you tried reading God's word (the Bible)? It has a lot to offer. Have you ever noticed that there seems to be something missing in your life? Everyone has that black hole in the middle of their life. Everyone tries to find something to fill it. Some try drugs, drinking, sex, whatever, but it never really gets filled does it?

I would love to talk to you more but I will leave that up to you. I will pray for you. I am sure you will tell me that you don't believe in that but what could it hurt?

God loves you no matter what you think of Him and no matter what you have done in the past. He wants to have a personal relationship with you. You don't have to deny science to be a Christian. I do think for myself. Because I think for myself I look at things objectively. Science and being a Christian can go together. There are answers but you have to be willing to have an open mind and look at it from all sides.

Take care. Feel free to write me anytime you like.

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F*** You , you f***ing no good piece of s***. Think about it. Maybe there was some guy who was nuts who thought he was god but...... you can beLIEve what you will. Anyways don't pray for me, I don't need prayers, I need people who actually know what the hell they are talking about.

Thanks for writing me. I am sorry you feel the way you do. I will pray for you. I hope you find what you are searching for. If you ever want to know more just e-mail me and I will help you. Remember God loves you no matter what you have done so far.

"The soul who sins is the one who will die." Ezekiel 18:9

"But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us" Romans 5:8

Thanks again for visiting my page and for writing.

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I respect your right to believe as you wish. I honestly don't accept it. I think the basic beliefs behind christianity is good, but very unrealistic as far as humans go. No one can follow them which is seen all throughout history. Wars in the name of god and religion. Men of the cloth molesting and sexually assaulting people. I claim no religion, they tend to hinder the free will of humans. I don't think we need anyone telling us right from wrong, if we can't figure that out ourselves we are pretty weak. Love everyone, do what thou wilt without harming others in the process, and see things as they are not in a cloudy haze others want you to. Well a sort of basic philosophy.

Thanks for writing to me. I am sorry that it has taken so long to get back to you. I have been very busy. There are just a couple of points I would like to bring up. You said that no human can follow the beliefs of Christianity. Well in a way you are right, but in a big way you are also wrong. You see no MAN can do it by himself, that is where God comes in. He will give the person the grace it takes to be a Christian and to obey His laws. Do we ever stumble; sure but if you give your heart to Him He will be there to make sure that you never fall.

So that brings up your other point that you don't beleive anyone can follow God's law, because, look at the wars and men of the cloth molesting and sexually assaulting people. I just want you to realize that not everyone who claims to be a Christian really is:

"At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people." Matthew 24:11

"Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves." Matthew 7:15

"But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves." 2 Peter 2:1

Even some of those that claim to follow Jesus are evil, but that does not mean that all Christians are phony. If a blond man robs and rapes a woman does that make all blond men robbers or rapist?

Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them. "Not everyone who says to me, `Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, `Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' Then I will tell them plainly, `I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!' Matthew 7:20-23

Don't let Satan lie to you. Satan does not care about you, he only wants to hurt God. You are the only way he can hurt God. Satan's place has been sealed and he can do nothing about it. His time is short, but humans still have free choice, to follow God or follow Satan (the only two choices). God loves EVERY person, no matter who or what they are. God wants you and every other person to have a personal realationship with Him through Jesus Christ. If Satan can keep you or anyone from having that realationship then he hurts God, who loves us. Satan will do anything to cause a person to reject God. He will even appear to be kind and loving if that is what it takes.

Well I just wanted to give you some food for thought. If I am wrong what have I got to lose? If I am right on the other hand, what have you got to lose?

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hello and well i would like to thank you for your concern the who church of saatan stuff and MArylin manson thing is just a page i put up on the well "TRENDS" ... i do belive in a god and i do belive it is Good but i have been in disagreeance (however you spell it)with some of the ideas of religion. I feel it is wronge to Damn a good person because they are Muslim , Hindu , or Celtic. There are many good people in these religions that well deserve they Wonderful things in the after life. my Moral basis are all on the same if not above any good Christians. i feel if you are good and kind to others you will be rewarded in the after life ; if you are Bad well you have the idea.

And i do thank my creator every day for the Splenders of life.

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How very sad it is that someone would believe that the Divine would use the tactics you relate in your "testimony" to make you see the light and accept Jesus. A god who would use such emotional extortion as to cause bad things to happen in order to get your attention can be no less infantile than one who would say that there is only one way and that, because he is a jealous god, you'd better not worship anyone else or you will go to hell. I am very thankful that my heart and mind have led me away from a belief in such a diety towards a belief in the beauty and peace in the Universe and the sacredness of all life. It is my prayer that you, too, can find your way out of the darkness of this hate and pain filled view into the embrace of the Lord of Light and Lady of Life.

Blessed Be!
--Darksinger

****Celebrate Diversity--Hate Hurts Everyone!****

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I visited a site and signed the guestbook. Within minutes I received this reply.

Ralph,

I am completely against the passive-aggressive harrassment you are using to "spread the word" about God. I just had a website removed for doing this very thing, you could be next. Please refrain from harrassing me further. Your guestbook entry has been removed.

At03:39 PM 5/5/97 -0700, Dreambook ululated:
The following entry has been added to your Dreambook for
User: amethyst
Book: mooncircles (http://books.dreambook.com/amethyst/mooncircles.html)
Site: MoonCircles (http://www.primenet.com/~amethyst/newmoon.html)

Entry number 28 --

Name: Ralph
I live in:
E-mail: rdett@iserv.net
Website: http://www.behindthebadge.net/
How'd you find us?:


Comments:
Please come take a look at my site.


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At07:04 PM 5/5/97 -0400, Ralph Dettwiler ululated:

I am sorry that you feel that way. All I did was sign your guestbook.
But I will not bug you anymore.

You can play "dumb" if you like, but your intentions are very apparent even though you try to "trick" people into visting your site using a banner that is not descriptive of your site. Why not just come out and say what your site really is rather than say something about sheriffs? That is a small part of your page. And oooohhh, the page about suffering in hell for not accepting Jesus is so scary....ooohhh, WHAT-EVER! The gods I believe in are much more compassionate and loving. Even when I was Catholic, I never encountered crap like this.

And I mean it when I say do not continue to write me.

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This message was also in reference to my signing the guestbook.

Dear Sir,

PLEASE stop posting your page on Pagan/Wiccan guestbooks for the sole purpose of gaining recruits. It is not appreciated and it is highly offensive to have someone imply that our path is the "wrong one". It is not only controlling, and cultish, but annoying to constanyly be harrassed by such fanaticism.

Thanks for writing me. I noticed that you put your URL in your signature
file. That is about the same thing that I have been doing.

No, it's not. I, like alot of folks add my URL in my signature, not to recruit more Pagans (We are not evangelical), but as part of my signature. A guestbook viewed by many, and why in the world would I post a page with radical Pagan propaganda on a Christian's guestbook. It's obvious.

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I am not trying to recruit anyone. I am trying to show you that there
is another way, what you do with that information is up to you.

Ok. That's lovely for you. Most Pagan/Wiccan folks just aren't interested, and quite often are harrassed by Christians claiming "their way" is "THE way. If another "way" was right for us I guess we'd seek it.

I could understand your concern if I was posting a lot of Scripture in
the guestbooks but I am not. I am sorry if you are offended by my site.
Have you visited it?

Yes, of course. It's very nice, and I'd probably appreciate it ALOT more if I was Christian. Please understand, we aren't trying to harrass you with e-mail. We at MoonCircles are EXTREMELY tired of radical Christian folks spreading heinous lies about us peaceful Pagan folk. We don't want a different way, but just to be able to live in harmony with Christian, Moslem, Jewish, etc... Sisters & Brothers. So ok, we may be a little touchy as we are constantly bombarded with what I mentioned above.

If you ever change your mind and want to know more please feel free to
e-mail me.

More about what? Jesus? The Bible? I spent my entire High School career studying the Bible. This is why I made my own personal choice of remaining a Witch. It's a beautiful life...for me anyway. Would you like to know more?...hehehe...just kidding Ralph! Seriously, if you do ever need questions answered about Witchcraft, feel free to ask. Not to promote the Craft, but to educate & erase the fear & hatered.

The whole point is we aren't interested in "other ways", why would we be? Would you?

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Dear Ralph,

Thank you for your concern about my soul, but please don't be concerned. The Devil offers a special deal whereby I can buy back my soul over a period of 25 years, with very low interest rates. And I get private health insurance for my entire family thrown in.

He's also a very good accountant. If you want his address, mail me.

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Ralph,

Not to rain on your parade or anything, but don't get me wrong, I love God. I mean he rules! But I also believe that shouting out bible passages and saying "Praise God!" twenty-four hours a day is completely idiotic. God did not intend for us to be told what to do or to be forced to believe. He said it was our choice. I feel that you shouldn't have to go to church every Sunday just so that you can feel that you God in your life. Church and broadcasting of how you should believe in God does nothing. It just makes those against church and the Satan worshippers say things like "There goes those stupid christians spouting off about God again". It pretty much just makes them not want to believe or go to church even more. It makes them scoff at it not make us believe it. Thank you for signing my guestbook and I enjoyed your company. And thank you for your time.

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I respect your right to believe as you wish. I honestly don't accept it. I think the basic beliefs behind christianity is good, but very unrealistic as far as humans go. No one can follow them which is seen all throughout history. Wars in the name of god and religion. Men of the cloth molesting and sexually assaulting people. I claim no religion, they tend to hinder the free will of humans. I don't think we need anyone telling us right from wrong, if we can't figure that out ourselves we are pretty weak. Love everyone, do what thou wilt without harming others in the process, and see things as they are not in a cloudy haze others want you to. Well a sort of basic philosophy.

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Nice page...Everyone one should stick up for what they believe in...I just wanted you to know that just becuase I have a Nine Inch Nails hompage up, doesn't mean I reject God...In fact I lovve him dearly...Thankyou for not judging me...

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It must be fun to be so ignorant. I'd try it some time, but I find blindness to be annoying. Faith is blinding.

LIGHTEN UP!

For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 1 Corinthians 1:18

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OH PLEASE. GOD IS DEAD THE ANGEL SAID, SO HOW CAN JESUS LOVE ME? NO HELL FOR ME TO FEAR. NO HEAVEN UP ABOVE ME.

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Mr. Dettweiler,
I've read your page and have to admit you are a dedicated man. although I don't share your point of view I can still respect it.I've unfortunately seen firsthand what Christians and Muslims are doing to each other in Bosnia...gives me a LASTING envy to join the ranks of your Lord in His Heaven. I was a professional soldier before becomming a mercenary for a while. You know what I did for a living and I am not ashamed,if your God decides to punish me and see me burn in that lake of fire of his...well...that's his choice.Speaking of choices I have to admit that I can't seriously beleive in a God that supposedly gives me the chance to choose and then punishes me if I don't choose what he wants me to choose.Highly contradictory wouldn't you admit?Please don't waste your time praying for me...because I don't think it's necessary.But I would apreciate it though if you could respond to my message and tell me what you make of that contradiction in the Word I mentionned.

Thanks for the attention you will give this e-mail and may peace smile upon you where ever you walk.

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Greeting Mr. Dettwiler
I just wanted to take this opportunity to resond to your e-mail. First, let me say that I appreciate the way you refrained from both over preachiness and blatant disrespect. I salute you in those points. I reference to god, however, I must say that I vehemently disagree with you in terms of both his existence and the importance of Christ. I suppose that only time will show which of us is right. If I die and I find my self in unending torment, I'll just have to say "Hey, I guess Ralph was right." If I'm right then you'll never know because once your dead you will no longer be able to percieve the world around you. However these things turn out, I wish you only the best of happiness.

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hey there ralph. thanx for dropping by our little slice of hell we call SGT. by your request, i checked out your site too. (you must have LOVED our site - note the sarcasm). sorry if you were offended by our drunken hate filled ranting. (not that you said you were or anything). i appreciate your concern with the salvation of our staff. your site reminded me of my mother. she's a "spiritual warrior" and she is very disturbed that my collegues and i have created our site. oh well. i'm rambling. it's late, i'm bored.

i hate marilyn manson. who cares if they hate your site? i hate them. in fact, i hate everyone.

yes, i am lost. i know where to turn. and i know time is running out. i've heard it all before. but don't you ever feel like god has abandoned you?

i respect you because you say what's on your mind and you are a veteran.

i have no idea what i'm writing.

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Greetings

Thanks for visiting my home page, I always like to get feedback from people who have been there. I appreciate the sentiments behind praying for me, but I don't feel its necessary. I visited your site, and was just reading through the page of email. I don't agree with your beliefs or the Christian method of 'spreading the word', but I respect your choice of beliefs. I think our versions of 'the truth' differ, but it'd be a boring world if everyone agreed.

Thanks for your concern

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I visited your home page and just wanted to let you know that I am
praying for you. I want you to know the truth:

"The soul who sins is the one who will die." Ezekiel 18:9

"The sould who sins is the one who will die HAPPY."- The Book of the Ogre Salami Cult, Silver 3:7

I know the truth. Well, gotta go.... my turn the slaughter the goat.

SEriously... I have a religion and it works very well for me. It's called being a LUTHERAN.

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Greetings. First of all, thank you for having the decency of writing back. I do not wish to offend anyone and I hope I haven't. You emailed me back with a bunch of scriptures. That's all. I to could write you and quote from our "BIBLE" yet that would be pointless and that applies to me to. I've read your bible many, I repeat MANY times and find it very a)pornographic b) contradictive C)generally in poor taste. I'm talking overall and not just one or two passages from it. If you care to talk with me, do so without the passages and just logically talk. RAHOWA!

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Also I believe and I think you probably do too, that man has free will.
By that I mean that he can choose what to believe and what he wants to
do. Including starting wars, killing innocent people. I don't for a
minute believe God likes the choices some people make. But what kind of
a loving God would give us no choice at all? And if He gives us choices
why not have rewards and punishments for those choices?

Agreed. BUT, if I remember the Bible correctly, it says that if you DO go to Hell after a life of sin, you're there for Eternity, NOT just until you have paid for your sin, or repented it. And whilst there may be one or two people genuinely deserving of an eternal punishment, most people aren't; no matter how much wrong you do in your life, the suffering you cause is strictly finite, so suffering for an infinite length of time seems a bit excessive to me. Plus, I believe, according to the book of St. John, Revelations, states that those who enter Hell will be not just those who did evil in life, but cowards, liars, and unbelievers, which seems particularly harsh to me.

I know you said you don't believe the Bible but please consider these
verses. What if I am right? If you were right then what have I got to
loose anyway, maybe going out and getting drunk and having sex with
everybody I meet. I am not proud of it but "Been There Done That" and
you know what I was not really happy.

It's not so much I disbelieve the Bible, I just don't accept it as word-for-word truth. As a student of biology, I know a fair amount about evolution, and that it must have occured that way. This jibes with the story of Genesis, which say evolution never occurs. The God who appears in Job seems markedly different from the God in the New Testament; As I recall, when Job accused God of ruining his life near the end of the book, God's basic response was, "Who are you to question me, I am omnipotent, I created you, I can do what I like to you." Maybe a valid point of view, that a creator can do whatever he wishes to his creation, but our parents are no less our creators, and they aren't allowed to do as they like to us.

By the way, what are your views on Near Death Experiences, the experiences people have when they die and are brought back to life? At last reckoning, only 1/1000 people have unpleasant NDE's, where they go to some kind of Hell, which seems to indicate rather more people will go to Heaven than those who obey the strict rules of the Bible. Especially since it says, again somewhere in Revelations, that only 144,000 people will be saved; that's less that a thousandth of the population.

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How could you think that that book of lies, insults, false promises, and nonsense you call the bible could help anyone be closer to your god, let alone you pathetic homepage. Not only does your "bible" make no sense, but it promotes sexism, agism, racism, killing, senseless violence, and the destruction of religeons, societies, and rights for no rason at all, that is, except that they're different and don't agree with your religeon. But, that, obviousely no reason at all anyways. kinda raminds me of those people who burnt a whle library that had records of almost every event for the past 5,000 some years before that. You should be able to remember them, you ARE a "christian" aren't you? You "christians "know everything DON'T you? Telling others what's right and wrong. Like ANYONE has the right to do that. Pushing your "religeon" on them. Confusing them with your nonsense, herding them with you tales of the devil and eternal punishment, getting you ironhard grip on them with your false promises of hope and salvation from sins we cannot help but commit. You make us seperate ourselves from being human with you seven deadly sins. If you wish to defend yourself, and your god, you'll write back. Then I'll send more falts.

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Thanks for writing back. I knew even before you told me that you had
not come to my site to take a look. Some of the things you said I don't
believe you would have said had you looked first. That is okay.

You didn't even read my e-mail well. You accuse me of putting curses on
you but as my e-mail said, God will only accept you if you do it freely
so what good would a curse do?

I can see you didn't bother reading my email. That's to be expected.

Perhaps when you're ready to address the issues you'll get back to me.

By the way: Still waiting for the evidence for those deity constructs of yours. What's taking you so long?

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You wrote:

What a strange request. If the Aryan Nations and the Ku Klux Klan
visited any of my web pages I wonder if either of them would then
send an invitation to visit their web pages.

I am sorry that this seems like such a strange request. As a Christian I
am not to judge you or hate you for your views. I invite you to come
look at my site with an open mind. I just want you to know that God
loves you no matter what has happened in the past.

How silly. You probably are unware of the history of the Christianic death cult -- just as you are probably unaware that there is no evidence for the existance of gods or goddesses -- leave alone your master's particular pantheon.

If you would like some help learning the origins of the Christanic mythologies as well as the history of the death cult, there are several references on my shelf which I would be quite happy to forward to you. I know that most Christanics are not allowed to learn the origins of their master's gods and mythologies yet it doesn't take much effort to learn; all it takes is the willingness to learn.

But in actuality everyone who lives dies -- belief in deity constructs
can't do anything to avoid that uncomfortable, undeniable fact.

Death does not have to be the end, it can be a great beginning if you
love God and accept Jesus Christ as your savior.

How silly. Have any evidence for those gods of yours? Any at all? Trying to contrive deity constructs to pretend to avoid an unavoidable eventuality is something children might do, not adults.

Learn to live on your two feet like a man, now bowing down to idols like a slave. Learn to die with dignity like a man, not trembeling on your belly in fear like a slave.

Death is the natural result of life. You shouldn't fear it. You most certainly shouldn't set aside your cognative reasoning ability just to try to close your eyes and shove your head in the sand to avoid it.

"For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged
sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and
marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart." Hebrews 4:12

"There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my
words; that very word which I spoke will condemn him at the last day."
John 12:48

Quoting contradictory and unscientific mythologies like a busted shitpipe is probably contraindicated. You might just as well quote a Wonder Woman comic book and be done with it.

What's worse is that you quote a book of mythologies which is unethical and evil to the extreme. Numbers 31:17-18. Murder the non-virgins then keep kidnap the surviving virgin females for long nights of rape: It's demanded by the gods, after all, and so justified.

Mithra died for everyone 380 years before the Jesus did.

Only Jesus can free you from your sins and give you eternal life.

Mithra did it 380 years before your gods. Lord Krishna did it at least 400 years before the Jesus mythos. In fact, there were many previous gods and goddesses dying for the "sins" of humanity before Paul/Saul created the death cult.

I am praying for you.

After which, I suppose, you'll follow the traditional methodology when that fails... how many die this time?

You may think at me all you wish. Your occult juju magic curses are destined to fail, however: Anything short of blunt head trama is not going to retard my cognative abilities any.

I hope that you will come visit my site and just look around.

I get such requests from the Ku Klux Klan and Aryan Nations. If you had evidence for your deity constructs, you would have presented it by now.

You have nothing to fear, my site will not brain wash you or anything.

Let me assure you that myself and everyone else here on staff have years of experience observing the death cultists among us. Nothing you say or do can surprise any of us. In fact, you might think about checking into the HolySmoke echo so you can observe the types of rabid fundamentalist brothers and sisters of yours that you must contend with. In order to rise above their level of rabidity, you would have to murder someone.

You're nothing unique, I can assure you. Your type flow through HolySmoke like the tide, every one of you thinking you're somehow different than the rest, totally oblivious to the ranting lunatic shrill screech that you all eventually become when occult, superstitious wishful thinking isn't enough to get reasoning, educated men and women to _believe_ nonsense.

God will only accept you if you give your heart to Him freely.

Have any evidence for these deity constructs of yours? Any at all? As for handing over badly-needed organs, I observe the results of your own donation of the brain and don't quite wish to emulate you.

All I can do is pray that you will see the light. I hope you find what
you are searching for.

Your Christanic curse is doomed to failure. Only the ignorant who believe in curses can be "harmed" by them. As for what I'm searching for, that's quite easilly come by. A trip to the local library usually is enough, in fact.

Might I suggest you download and review the Walk Away package that's available here? It certainly sounds as if you're desperately looking for a way to escape your misery.

No one need know. Don't tell your masters!

http://***.********.***/********/*****/********.htm

It's a big step, obviously, yet you'll be happier once you start educating yourself. I'll be here to help once you start walking away.

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Hello. Since my inital contact from you by following the link at the Marilyn Manson site I have thought about what I wrote to you and how what I wrote may have been interpreted and understood. Although I found you from the page of a rather misguided fellow, my interest in Manson is thus: My daughter, although she has a very good head on her shoulders, likes his music (as I do) and so it is in her and my best interest to understand where he is coming from so that I can guide her through the experience without trying to control her. Personally, I see that Manson states a worthy aim but his method of achieving it is absolutely doomed to fail. People will follow the imagery and ideas verbatim and try to emulate it in their own lives rather than using it for its stated purpose of revealing the nonesense in our lives. I personally find making the interpretation of his works more tedious than is worthwhile. My daughter will come to the same conclusion.

I visited your website at www.iserv.net/~rdett and found your story to be quite touching. I am one person who has an appreciation of the kind of stresses imposed on our law enforcement personnal. As well as those who serve in the armed forces. I consider the courage required to face that kind of horror and deal with it effectively to be truly awe inspiring. I applaud you for your commitment to help raise others up.

I hope you will forgive me for the condescending manner in my initial contact with you. It would be easy to blame the influence of the Manson site for such disrespectfull behavior but that is not an acceptable excuse to me. I simply failed to aknowlege the presence of the lower aspects of myself in my thoughts and in what I wrote to you. I am sorry. On the other hand, after reading the rather long note I followed up with, I found it to be a relatively fantastic overview of how I see things. The expression is really rather poetic and tends to open the mind into the beauty of life and spirit, which is what I prefer to convey to people. Like you, I have a path to follow of trying to uplift the world I live in through public service. Those who do not know the wonder.. the WONDER of life and the universe and the eternal questions about existance and God and how very precious it is to have someone to truly share it with and how we all need uplifting and love and tolerance and compassion and to harmonize our thinking and behavior- these are the people I speak to and I too need it. I need to develop it more in myself through my commitment to leading a spiritual yet practical life that adheres to the principles I believe in. I told you I am not a Christian. Because I am not I clearly see things that a Christian cannot. The way that spirit is divided cleanly and it is so easy for the followers to make judgements"because it says in the bible" is one that concerns me the most. The fervor and self rightousness that have been imposed upon the earth and mankind as a result of this is something that should bring terrible pain to the perpetrators but they have no problem because they are able to use the bible to justify themselves. We are here for such a short time there really must be better things for us to do than to hurt each other and condemn each other. I know I will not end up in hell because I see clearly that hell, like heaven and god and the second coming of Christ (the rise of spirit in each one of us) is right here, right now. I do not believe for a moment that the creator of all this could possibly have less forgiveness than its creation does and so I do not believe that there is a one true path. Except for leading a life that promotes the development of spirit. I wish you well on yours.

I would imagine that all this falls on deaf ears, frankly, I am probably viewed by you as some poor lost soul who would benefit from accepting Jesus in my heart. To this I can only suggest a re-reading of St. Mathew where Jesus says incredible things such as (approximately) Be AS I AM (not, FOLLOW ME) I feel a kinship to the great Jesus of Nazareth, I have learned from what is written about him, and also from experiences of spirit and so while I am not foolish enough to vainly proclaim that my spiritual development is on par with him, I do follow the similar path of commitment to spirit.

This is what he saught. people who decide for themselves to act good simply to do good things, not people who do good things because they FEAR their PUNISHMENT if they don't! That's the mistake my dad made in raising ME! May the truth and beauty of spirit guide you through your life with peace and love, and may your path open you to the bountifull expressions of God in manifestation.

AMEN
Blessed Be

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I thank you for writing back. Believe me no offense was taken over your first post. I get a lot of mail as you might imagine. Some is nothing but vulgar attacks. Even that is okay. I do not have very thin skin. I guess you probably already know that from reading my testimony.

Believe it or not I respect your views. I do however feel sad because I believe that you are wrong. I don't mean that as an attack, it is just how I feel in my heart.

I would like to point a couple of things if you don't mind. You talked about some of the incredible things Jesus said. I have a problem with that and here it is. If you believe what Jesus said then you have to believe He is the Son of God and that He died for your sins so that you might have eternal life. If on the other hand you do not believe that then the only other choice you have is to believe He was the biggest liar of all time. If He was a liar then everything He said should be suspect.

As for God punishing us, well I beleive that we have free will. He has told us how to avoid punishment, if we choose not to then who is at fault Him or us?

The other thing you said was that you don't believe that God would want us to fear Him. Well I have three children and I love them but I want them to have a respectful fear of me. I will never punish them unless they do something wrong. I hope they have a respectful fear of the Police too. I hope you see what I am getting at. A little respectful fear is good. I do not fear God as I fear a person who is out to hurt me.

"But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us" Romans 5:8

The one other thing I wanted to say was about all the terrible things "Christians" have done in the past. The only problem with that is that many people are called "Christian" but do not (as you say) follow Jesus.

I am sorry if I went on too much. I also hope you take what I said the way it was meant. You said what you wrote would probably fall on deaf ears, it did not. Did it change my mind, no, but I did read it and consider it. I hope you will do the same for what I wrote.

I will pray for you and your daughter. Take care and good luck.

"There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; that very word which I spoke will condemn him at the last day." John 12:48

Hi again. I can see there is no real point in this so I will not continue with it. I certainly am not looking for converts. I guess if I was able to pass one thing on to you it would be the understanding that even though I do not follow the path that you have chosen, all roads lead to Oz. Regarding Jesus. What I think is that he was an incredible man, the SON OF MAN, and the SON OF GOD. So are you. so am I, and so are all other people. THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN IS WITHIN YOU. Jesus is a man who managed to fully realize the nature of his spiritual being and returned to his homeland to try to teach people about it. He was confronted with a daunting task indeed because the people there were so ignorant that in order to convey his thought he had to reduce it to parable and provide it in bite sized chunks. I do not however, believe that he saught followers. He wanted to develop teachers, and could only find 12 people that even had a chance of it. Sir I find the same propblem today. The writings I have sent to you are a brief overview but I can tell from the kinds of things that you wrote here that you didn't REALLY read it and understand it. I do not believe that Jesus died for my sins so that I can have everlasting life. Don't you think that's a rather morbid idea? Jesus was crucified by a mob of ignorant pigs who didn't have a clue until they saw the grace with which he died. Then they were filled with regret and guilt. I do not partake in this because I would have prefered him to live. I take responsibility for my own actions and cannot relieve my guilt or wrongs by dumping it all on Jesus every Sunday. I have to deal with my transgressions myself and find a way to forgive MYSELF. And I will assure you sir that my way is far more difficult, yet rewarding and produces obvious permanent CHANGE in me that prevents a repeat.

Jesus did not die for my sins nor do I believe he was a liar. I have the greatest admiration for the man. I try to be LIke him, but I do not FOLLOW him. I would hope that it is evident that regardless how what I think deviates from your image of the truth that I am a decent human being. Do you really, in the deepest corners of your heart, believe that a loving God who created this incredible universe and all people with so many different religions and ways of thinking and acting will actually condemn all those who do not use the correct terminology for recognizing spirit to a horrible fate of suffering??

I have 2 children and a wife of 15 years. I have never wanted my children to fear me and have always given them the opportunity to question my decisions, although for safety and practicle reasons, their questions are to come AFTER compliance. In some cases I have found that I really had no good reason for wanting things a particular way and developed a different position, which I then explained to them. If they don't want to comply with my directives despite the rational approach the bottom line is this: I am bigger and far meaner than they are and will not hesitate to force compliance. The effect is obvious. They comply. I now have 2 kids that listen to what I tell them to do, who think for themselves and make good decisions by themselves who, as time passes, need the guiding of a parent less and less, and are able to hear more complex teachings from me. My father was in the Air National Guard for some 29 years after losing his medical license to fly in the air force. He used the fear approach, I was essentially in boot camp the whole time I was growing up and I'll tell ya, that just plain fucked me up. I have worked very hard for many years to become the man I now am and so the conditioning of my childhood is a thing of the past. I see right straight through everything I was taught to its essence. And that includes the practice of Christianity. I do not accept the idea that God is going to condemn me for using the wrong nomenclature with my spiritual practices and I consider the fact that you do, and your fellow Christians, to be simply dangerous. Especially when history is examined. We are not so far from the witch trials as modern man would fancy. In conclusion, I would once again like to say that if I was to pass anything on to you it would be an understanding that what will save us is leading spiritual lives, not following a particular nomenclature. The understanding of Christianity that would be required for you to see that Jesus would want you to think that too is far too involved and detailed for an email attempt. I can only hope that you remember my words and seek the truth yourself. Truth is revealed by its harmony with logic and its application on numerous levels of experience or existance. It comes from more places than the Bible.

Be thee of good cheer; it is I; be not afraid. St. Matthew 15:27

"Do not be afraid or discouraged because of the vast army. For the battle is not yours but God's." 2 Chronicles 20:15

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Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world. 1 John 4:1-3

Please pray for these people. Pray that the Holy Spirit will continue to speak to them, and that they will find a true personal realationship with Jesus Christ.

Do you have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ? If you don't would you like to have?

Yes I would like to know Jesus.

No! I don't care!




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