I don't want to argue with you but...

i dont want to debate with you or argue with you because everyone is entitled to thier own beliefs and opinions, but what is suicide? i think it is the ability to cope wieghed against your pain. i dont think it by any means makes you a sinner because you lack the ability to cope with that which over whelms your will to live. life is not easy regardless of how you view it, there are trials and tribulations under which we all must endure. i understand that you were a police officer and im sure that youve dealt with things that far outweigh anything that anyone could deal with on a normal level, while still functioning as happy, productive members of society, so to speak. bear in mind though what you endure over may well be the straw that breaks the camels back to someone else. but you found strength in faith itself and maybe you want to help others because inadvertantly with that faith comes the confidence to endure, but i dont think that is divine in itself.

the only thing that stops me from killing myself is the knowledge of what that act in itself would do to those that still love me, and i know that i in turn love those people to much to do that do them. thats probaly a weird sence of endearment for a young adult to bear but it is often what keeps me here. not fear of reprocutions in the afterlife, whatever it may be. quite frankly i dont know and you dont know either. we know what the bibles tells us, but inarguably the bible is merely mans interpretation of events which go infinately beyond his comprehension. so who are we to say? there are 0ver 5000 different religous denominations in the western hemisphere,are they all misguided and heavonous because we christians are so narcisistic to acknowledge that we have not all or any of the answers?

i am very glad that you have endured through everything and i more than anything hope that you continue to endure, but i think that you have found your own personal stregnth and confidence within yourself and its not so much a matter of having become involved divine matters which we think we understand,but have not the cognative abilities to even begin to grasp. if i at some point do decide to end my life an i am misguided in my acknowledgement of my inferiority to understand creationism, i hope that you to will pray for me.

My response is in Green:

I don't want to debate or argue with you either, but I will respond to your opinion. First let me say that it is your opinion. The reason I say that is that we are all entitled to our opinions, but they mean nothing when weighed against the Bible (God's Word). It does not matter whether we like what the Bible says or not. It does not matter what we think, it matters what God thinks. Something is not sin because I think it is, nor is it not sin because you don't think it is. It is sin because God says it is. He is the final authority.

As I have said over and over on my site, if a person is not capable of making a rational decision then I don't believe God will judge them on what they do, however, if someone is capable of making a rational decision then I do believe God will hold them accountable. God is a just God and He loves all of us, however, being a just God means that He demands punishment for our sins too. We are able to avoid that punishment if we accept the free give of salvation that God offers each of us through His Son, Jesus Christ.

You said you were glad that I endured through everything, then you went on to say that I must have found the strength within myself. You are wrong. I had thoughts of suicide in the past and I am just a weak as anyone on this earth, but I found someone who is stronger than me: Jesus Christ. (1 Corinthians 1:27 NIV) But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong. And again: (2 Corinthians 12:7-10 NIV) To keep me from becoming conceited because of these surpassingly great revelations, there was given me a thorn in my flesh, a messenger of Satan, to torment me. {8} Three times I pleaded with the Lord to take it away from me. {9} But he said to me, "My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness." Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ's power may rest on me. {10} That is why, for Christ's sake, I delight in weaknesses, in insults, in hardships, in persecutions, in difficulties. For when I am weak, then I am strong. It is okay for us to be weak because God is strong.

That is my whole point, people need God and His help to cope. Without Him they will be despondent and weak and have no reason to live.

Near the end of your message you appeared to be saying that you were a Christian. You said that 'we as Christians' which made it look like you were saying you are a Christian. That is great, but I do have a couple problems with it. If you are a Christian then why do you deny the power of God to deal with any and all problems a person faces in this life? We are not to cope with problems ourselves we are to lean on God for help.

If you or anyone is not a Christian, then it does not matter what they die of, they will be lost. Jesus is the only way to heaven. You make it sound like you were not even sure that Christianity is the only way to heaven. Again I did not say that Jesus said it: (John 14:6 NIV) Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. Again, like it or not.

You kind of used a common argument about Christians believing that only Christians will make it to God and how arrogant that is of us. Well let me turn that around, if Christianity is not the true way then what is? It can't be all religions. It could be possible I guess for all religions to be wrong, but it is impossible for all religions to be right. The are exclusive. Even those which teach that all roads lead to heaven. If all roads lead to heaven then Christianity does also, yet Christianity teaches that only Christianity leads to heaven. See my point? Islam does not believe that Christians will be in heaven, nor Jews, nor Buddhist, etc... They can't all be right.

Let me give you an absurd illustration. I say absurd because it is not useful for anything except to try to make a point. Let's say we are in a room and there are two door leading out of the room. One door leads to death the other leads to freedom. In front of one door are thousands of people. They go through the door one at a time. I tell you that I know that the door they are going through leads to death, that only the other door will allow you to escape. Would you argue that I must be wrong since all those other thousands of people are going through the other door?

People often have a problem with the fact that so many people believe other things. Yet to me the mere fact that so many other people believe 'something' proves that the Bible is true. See we were created by God, and He put in our hearts a knowledge of eternity. We all know in our hearts that we will exist forever. People deny this, but I don't believe for a minute that any of them really believe that one day they will wake up and not exist, or should I say that one day they won't wake up and will cease to exist. People know in their hearts that there has to be a being more powerful than themselves. They search for God, but few find the real God of the universe. Many try to claim we are our own gods but that we don't realize it.

You mentioned that you have thought of killing yourself. Let me ask you a question. What do you think you would gain by killing yourself? This is a question you better answer before committing suicide. It is the most important answer of all. When I had thoughts of suicide I always looked at death as a way out of the pain I was in. It was not a rational thought, it was just that I felt like death would be rest, and freedom, but I never really thought about what that meant. I have thought about it now and it was a total lie from Satan. How can death be rest and freedom if I die in a sinful state? It can't be! I never believed that I would cease to exist, I just thought that death would be better than life.

I shudder to think how close I was to ending my life at times. Satan has blinded me. Let me tell you about death. While we are alive we have a choice. The choice to accept Jesus Christ as our Savior or reject Him. God tugs on our heart, He puts road blocks in our way. It might be family, it might be friends, it might be strangers, it might even be a website we visit, but God is faithful to give us chances to know Him. As I said earlier He is a just and merciful God, but being just brings with it accountability too. When we die without accepting Jesus as our Savior, God judges and finds us guilty and sentences us to the second death, which is punishment for eternity. If we die and we have accepted Jesus as our Savior, then God looks at us and sees the holiness of His Son and there is nothing to judge us guilty of nor anything to punish us for.

I will say that I have a problem with Christians who claim that it does not matter if a Christian commits suicide or not, that God will forgive them. Life and death is under God's authority and we have no right to take those decisions out of His hand. When a Christian commits suicide they are telling God that they either don't care what His will for them is, or that they don't think He loves them enough to help them through the tough times, or that they don't think He is powerful enough to help them. Any of those is willful disobedience and shows a lack of faith in God. Now since we are saved by grace through faith, what does a lack of faith show? I can't answer that, but it should be enough to stop anyone who wants to please God and spend eternity with Him from committing suicide.

You said that if you ever do commit suicide that you hope I will pray for you. Sorry I won't because it would do no good. I will pray for you now, before you do something like that, but after you kill yourself there is nothing my prayers or anyone's prayers can do for you. (Hebrews 9:27-28 NIV) Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment, {28} so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many people; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.

I am sorry if you feel I was argumentative but I wanted to be honest with you and after all you were the one who wrote me. I hope you will go to God and ask Him to show Himself to you. He loves you and He wants to help you. Don't short change yourself, and don't listen to that liar Satan who tells you that peace and freedom and rest come from death. That is not true, peace, freedom and rest only come through Jesus Christ.

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